As did the shooter at University of Illinois. Both should have never been capable of legally purchasing a weapon. Actually, I think that the shooter in AZ purchased his legally as well.
Red flag of the year there, but if he purchased it online and from multiple brick and mortars then there would have been nothing to be done because AFAIK there's no tracking of ammunition sales. Even if he'd bought a multitude of guns in the past few months private sales aren't tracked either, at least not in any states that I know of off-hand.
In almost all of these types of shootings the guns are purchased legally, for sure. I guess my point was more about what you were saying about fame. It is somewhat hard to look at a seriously ill person and determine what it was, if anything, that motivated them.
I'm just saying, be cautious, otherwise it is kind of like saying Son of Sam proves America has a culture that listens too much to dogs.
just to throw it out there, Wiki is always fantastic for these unfolding events (with a grain of salt, of course), corrects even some things said earlier in this thread:
This is why living in the Colorado suburbs is terrible. Growing up there it's like the endless rows of clone tract housing (the American equivalent of communist matchbox apartments), the dry and high altitude, the featureless prarie, the ample supply of guns and drugs, and the general ****ed attitude of people and ample hate grouops creates these monsters. Even coming to visit for a prolonged time to certain towns will **** you up. Just a reminder that several spree killers (including this one), Dick Cheney, Condaleeza Rice, Sayed Qutb (the father of Muslim Terrorism), James Watt, and Tim Allen and Jake Lloyd(not as bad, but definitely a plague on acting) all were born or studied in the Colorado suburbs.
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This is one of my biggest issues with the firearms debate. One side actually knows about the topic and the other really doesn't seem to (the barrel shroud is not "the thing that goes up" for example). The AR-15 he was using had a single-action trigger.
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Single action describes how the trigger works and means, basically, that the hammer or striker is not readied by the trigger at any stage. This is true on the AR, a charging handle positions the striker for the first shot and the gas system positions it for subsequent shots.
I assume that you're thinking of "semiautomatic" vs "full automatic" and DJ meant to ban all weapons that don't have a manual action (presumably thinking of old single-action revolvers that needed to be cocked between every shot).
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(though, I meant more being able to switch between a single bullet fire per trigger pull and multiple... I didn't think a rifle could be turned into a fully automatic weapon without some intense conversion... I could totally be wrong again though)
EDIT: erm, nevermind, I was confused again
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I'm not totally clear on what "police style" means. According to the link there's a model called "police" but that doesn't necessarily mean only police can buy it since the same company sells a "special operations" stock to the public.
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oh, I mean it is designed more for combat/police/etc rather than hunting
I'm not even saying it shouldn't be available for purchase, just pointing out that the "everything but pump action or single action" ban wouldn't have taken away any of the shooter's weapons
I think the issue with a gun like the AR-15 is that its ammunition is all but useless for big game hunting and rifles aren't generally home defense weapons so there's no reason why civilians should be allowed to buy them.
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It's just a hard problem to fix. As mentioned, private sales are not tracked. Regardless, I agree with a push to have more thorough background checks. Maybe the Tech, UI, and others still would have gotten their hands on weapons, but the odds of them doing something to get themselves caught beforehand would have been much higher.
It's interesting to me that people accept that both the Federal and state governments require that you register your vehicle, home, etc with them but flip out when there's any talk of mandatory registration of firearms. The paranoia of some is beyond my understanding.
Well when you're a hardcore Muslim living in a town with the pervasive stench of cow and pig shit for several years...
That same town has often had the highest rate of violent crime and murder in the state.
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You can be a gun enthusiast your entire life without owning a single bullet. If anything, the purchase of ammo, especially such an extravagant amount, is the red flag.
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I wonder why after people buy guns like those in public, they're never followed by any form of law enforcement that keeps an eye on them for awhile without their knowledge so they can see what they'll do with 'em. Seriously, the FBI keeps an eye on folks who google the word hitman but they can't keep an eye on the ones who purchase guns or the ammo for 'em that are capable of doing crap like this?
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