What? You're literally trying to argue here that Goku can't overcome Sasuke's mountain range durability with his moon+ level destruction. What's bigger? A mountain, or a moon? A PHUCKING MOON, for allah sake! What's stopping him from glassing Sasuke, when he can glass characters that casually tank attacks that would glass the entire CAST of Naruto?! No one in all of Naruto reaches moon level durability OR strength.
And melee? Goku casually bats away ki blasts, with his bare hands, that can destroy planets, for phucks sake. Do you NOT remember him letting Nappa's small planet busting attack hit his chest JUST to prove how strong he was? Piccolo can dish out and tank moon busting attacks CASUALLY, and this ONE attack was enough to off him. Goku tanked it to the CHEST. Goku could up and JUMP through Sasuke's perfect Susano'o, and rip him out of it.
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Teleportation isn't speed and Piccolo's blasts were, Goku's equal to him in every respect and well dodging and outrunning peoples attacks in the series in more or less commonplace
If you seriously believe that Goku, much less Raditz can't replicate the feats of BoSS Piccolo then I'm going to laugh at you
Or you just can't powerscaling, like, at all
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What? LOLOLOL, obviously he is, if he can casually bat away, react to, and blatantly OUTRUN attacks that reach the moon in less than a second. Sasuke can teleport, but what's that gonna do when Goku is able to out-speed him otherwise anyway? He only has a certain range of teleportation, and can only use it like once every thirty seconds or some shit. All that's gonna do is delay Goku for the second it takes him to zip across the warping spot to Sasuke's new location, and rip out his phuckin' spine. Or just turn him into a stain with a shout.
And yes, if Piccolo, who was weaker than Goku, can blow up the moon with a ki blast, then Goku can even MORE casually. Show me a Naruto character with moon busting strength, and they can go toe to toe with Roshi's kamehameha wave at max power, and a casually ki blast from Piccolo.
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So are you conscientiously skipping around my points or what? Sasuke's Susanoo would cover Goku's melee attacks and his teleportation would cover the ki attacks. Also Goku has no defense against genjutsu and isn't nearly as fast as you give him credit for this early in the series. Also I've already stated why Sasuke doesn't need "moon busting" power to beat end of DB Goku.
You've also yet to specify a means for how Goku's going to do it since we haven't seen Goku use ki that way so early in the series. Goku's not blitzing Sasuke less you have a feat you want to mention other than the moon thing which wasn't even the same attack IIRC.
You keep power-scaling off the moon thing instead of giving me another feat to work with.
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT?! I JUST EXPLAINED THIS! How would Sasuke's Susano'o cover Goku's melee if Goku can punch through it? Sasuke's Susano'o was punched through by Naruto's Biju-sen-shuriken, which is only mountain range level.
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How is he going to tank punches from Goku with the same potency as the attacks that would glass him?
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If Piccolo can bat away a ki blast created with more effort than the one that blew up the moon, then he can HAS the capacity to punch out the moon. Goku blocked and countered endless of those punches. How is Sasuke going to tank one of those when he can't even tank the output of a single SHOUT from Piccolo?
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Piccolo SHOUTING did more damage than any attack in ALL of Naruto that wasn't from Kaguya herself. No one in all of Naruto besides possibly her can destroy an island with one attack.
And what do you mean, "we haven't seen Goku use ki that way so early in the series"? He's been using the kamehameha wave since he was practically since he was shitting in diapers. Plus, Piccolo just used casual ki blasts to vaporize the moon. Goku's kamehameha has overpowered Piccolo's strongest attack, the demon wave.
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Uh while SSjGogeta gets points for actually putting up scans,that logic is skewed as all get out: really end of DB Goku punching out a moon when he hasn't shown that level of physical strength.
Also for that last panel, the Juubi's attack was more impressive: Piccolo's shout doesn't look that much greater than what EoS Sasuke can do anyway.
But I'Ve already compromised with Sasuke beating Goku at the end of DB so there's nothing else to mention here.
Sasuke's versatilty and hax granted to him by kishi's favoritism grants him a slight edge over one dimensional fighters like dbz characters as well as him being smarter than more than half of the charactersbincluding goku
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-Moon to Small planet power, compared to Goku's Island+ force.
-Hax that assist him here;
--Teleportation, including himself or others
--Precognition
--Hypnosis (With his level of power it can be argued to have a level of effect, looking at Dabura as an example)
--Amaterasu (Currently should be around Mountain level. Constant burning of this will be damaging to character with higher durability that this)
--Energy absorption
--Soul rip
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Those mountains barely look like they clear 1 km. Then there's the fact that they are calc stacking for their sizes and coming up with numbers that are nonsensical. Then there's the fact that Kishimoto is generally inconsistent with his scaling and distances.
Yo.
Moon level power is only when he has Naruto and the Six Paths Yin/Yang abilities. Otherwise, he's around Island level with Perfect Susanoo. Higher when he's got the Bijuu powered Perfect Susanoo.
Mountain level Amaterasu?
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They don't look grand themselves, but I haven't found fault in the craters in the BD calcs. In all honestly the vines don't feel that large, its just the scans along with knowing the BD size isn't giving me much room to think otherwise /shrugs
I assumed we would be using Sasuke at his peak as we know nothing of his adult self.
Mm. I've seen in several threads that MS Sasuke's Ama was on the high Town to low City level. If peak also increases Ama, which I'm sure it does, it would be around the Mountain level.
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Saiyan saga and down is questionable sasuke could pull it off
The funny thing is your mocking me and naruto isnt even my fav anime id give it a c+ as a whole. Im just an objective thinker unlike you guys i acknowdge the extreme power up kishi gave naruto and sasuke
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Oh, no. I acknowledge that, too, and I wish I couldn't seeing as the series has become all the worse for it (hence your C grading). So, you can leave me out of that "unlike" clause (which I hope you did).
How does Goku get past Sasuke's mind whammy? I haven't gotten up to the end of Naruto Shippuden yet, but now that he has Itachi's eyes, can he also use the power to just point at an opponent, and lock them down? Goku is by far more powerful, but sometimes that's just not enough.
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