Beyonder was retconned because Jim Shooter left Marvel, and it was stab/cheap shot at him by the new Editor in Chief and other writers, and Beyonder was too damn powerful.
Beyonder was second to TOAA, and remind you this the same Beyonder that depowered himself to fit in the Marvel Omniverse, the Marvel Omniverse couldn't contain him if he was at full powered.
Classic Beyonder was greater than Anti Monitor, and this the same Monitor that put a full powered Spectre in a coma state.
Classic Beyonder had no equal in the Marvel universe beside Molecule Man and he was above LT, Beyonder is the reason we still read Hulk comics.
All of the times that the Spectre has been "beaten" by 5D Imps is because he was
A.) Depowered
B.) Not poiant to the story
C.) Host was not working oout
D.) PIS
The only time the Spectre has really been portrayed as a true top dog in Post-Crisis DC (i.e. even within the top 10) was in the DC/Marvel crossover with the brothers. Of the top of my head I can list a couple dozen characters that are/have been more powerful.
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A.) Yeah they didnt get rid of the Beyonder because he was an overpowererd, annoying, whiny (Super-Boy Prime whiny) and completely bland character, it was because Marvel guys are a-holes -_-
B.) Im not denying that 5D Imps are packing a CRAP ton of Magical power, but even you mentioned Day of Vengeance where he removed all the Magic from the 5D Dimension and made Mxyzptlk virtually useless. THATS an impressive feat.
C.) Im on a site (no offense) with a lot of marvel fanboys. People who are so stubborn they pull things out of their ass just to prove a point (...which im kinda doing but im trying to be fair) I mean there could be a Frog in DC and a Frog in MARVEL that are the same size, strength, and speed. They are virtually clones, and MARVEL fans would say the MARVEL frog would win why "because the gravitational fields of Earth 616 are more powerful than that of the DC Earth and blah blah technobabble blah" When really it comes down to "The frogs from Marvel and EVERYTHING FROM MARVEL IS BETTER THAN DC... **** DC" Need i remind everyone of the joyous crossover of Marvel vs. DC where Spiderman beat Superboy... That totally wasnt biased at ALL. (Disclaimer: I do not think you specifically are a Marvel fan and i dont think that makes me right or makes me the better debater, it just sometimes these people dont do their research, plz just realize im just having fun with this)
Noone cares about the Beyonder, except on battle forums were Marvel fans can wank their character cocks in the direction of other fans (mainly DC fans) and gloat. Doesnt excuse the fact he was Bland and Overpowered. And never shut the hell up about how he though we were "Insects" to him.
At least Mxyzptlk is funny and Living Tribunal is epic. Oh and TOAA is Jack Kirby... That is a degree of awesome no character in any fictional medium can EVER hope to achieve... Not even Chuck Norris riding on a Great White Shark through a Tornado.
D.) Yes i can think of a few characters in DC that are more powerful nowadays than Spectre
Superman Prime One Million
Presence
Mandraak
Cosmic Armor Superman
WF Mxy
WF Batmite
Zatanna (possibly)
and others
But again i am stating that Spectre at FULL potential could give Living Tribunal a really good fight.
Unles you think that TOAA is more powerful than the Presence? (3...2...1)
I distinctively remember that the affects of the depowering of magic after Day of Vengeance left Mxy virtually powerless and without memory of how to get back to the 5th Dimension. It was in Superman story that i believe happend in later Superman/Batman stories. I even remember that Mxyzptlk has become so indifferent he could be sorta killed by a Kryptonite spear to the chest until Spectre restored Magic and he became his normal impish self
I trust you haven't seen some of the Superman fanboys flying around here, I take it?
KMC is actually pretty even across the board when it comes to fanboys and trolls and haters of all affiliations. Some Hulk fans think he's beyond the means of top tiers to defeat, let alone hurt. Some Superman fans think he can solo the equivilent of 100,000 Hulks with power to rival 1/4 of the Big Bang.
Stick around long enough, and you'll find bias and stupidity from both sides.
Well... im kind of a Superman Fanboy myself (and i do think he can beat the crap of the Hulk with no effort) and he did
But i do admit he has his limits (Pre-Crisis or Post Crisis) and he isnt gonna "Take the LT or Beyonder out back and rape them" because thats complete bullshit and fan wankery. But i think that Marvel and DC fans are Far FARRRRR worse when it comes to abstracts.
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