Superboy Prime (1980s debut)
Superboy Prime (non-suited, daytime, post IC4)
Superboy Prime (suited, at night)
Superboy Prime (guardian amped)
Superboy Prime (suited, daytime)
Ares
War Machine
*Iron Man
Rulk
*Thor*
World War Hulk
... and I plan to more or less systematically go through that roster in light of the simple question or questions asked before:
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1) What levels of forces or tactics have affected, hurt, or defeated Prime in the past?
2) Is such fairly consistent over the comic record?
3) Can the Avengers match or exceed these levels of force or reproduce those tactics or similar battle strategies?
4) Is such part of their modus operandi for facing powerful opponents?
5) Are the Avengers likelier to accomplish their objective of beating Prime, considering the above, before Prime can defeat them, or is the reverse more likely?
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... until the above question(s) and relevant others have been answered, along with major objections, supported by scans from the comics themselves, to the satisfaction of the average reader who does NOT have a stake in this argument.
URL banks should precede blue banks, even as image attachment creation MUST precede links when using KMC...
Thinking it might be a good idea to "seed" surrounding threads and then collate every 10 pages or so with a master list like this.
Superboy Prime
jonnz versus prime
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13999294
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Source: Infinite Crisis #6, Volume 1
Writer: Geoff Johns
Pencillers: Phil Jimenez, George Perez, Ivan Reis, and Joe Bennett
Date: May 2006
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Infinite_Crisis_Vol_1_6
Flashes stopped him for years
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14008600
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Source: Infinite Crisis #7, Volume 1
Writer: Geoff Johns
Pencillers: Phil Jimenez, George Perez, Ivan Reis, and Joe Bennett
Date: June 2006
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Infinite_Crisis_Vol_1_7
temporarily BFRed by Lightning Legionnaires
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14019379
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14019409
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14019427
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14019442
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14019449
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Source: Final Crisis. Legion of 3 Worlds #4, Volume 1.
Writer: Geoff Johns
Penciller: George Perez
Date: June 2009
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Crisis:_Legion_of_3_Worlds_Vol_1_4
Versus the Final Crisis Legion.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13998973
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13998974
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13998975
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13998976
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13998977
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13998978
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13998979
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13998981
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13998983
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13998984
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Source: Final Crisis. Legion of 3 Worlds #5, Volume 1.
Writer: Geoff Johns
Penciller: George Perez
Date: September 2009
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Crisis:_Legion_of_3_Worlds_Vol_1_5
Versus Teen Titans, Final
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13998779
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13998784
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13998786
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13998787
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13998788
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Source: Teen Titans #100, Volume 3
Writer: J. T. Krul
Penciller: Nicola Scott
Date: October 2011
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Teen_Titans_Vol_3_100
Ares
War Machine
*Iron Man
switching to reflective armor in battle (prime heatvision counter)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14008655
Reference Information Needed or Pending
in non-battle conditions, demonstrates personal teleport tech
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14008826
Reference Information Needed or Pending
Tony Stark aka Iron Man, battle strategist and info gatherer. Notice the Avengers propensity to use teleportation if/when necessary against powerful opponents (Phoenix 5 in this instance)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14010159
Reference Information Needed or Pending
Versus Magneto. Demonstrates remarkable resourcefulness and strategy against what most people THINK should be the hardest foe in the world for Tony to face.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14022738
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14022797
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14022745
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14022748
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14022751
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14022753
Reference Information Needed or Pending. X-Men versus Avengers 2012.
Rulk
*Thor*
thor versus wheel or whatever. Saves midgard, possibly asgard, too. Suggestion that he can exceed his physical limitations if more strength is needed to meet an emergency
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14008764
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14008771
Thor teleports innocents to “the limbo of space” for safety, to spare them the hazard of serious battle
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14008821
opens portal to The Negative Zone
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14008833
Dimensional Battle Field Removal of Juggernaut
(aided by New Warriors), Mjolnir
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14015830
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14015836
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14015839
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14015841
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14015844
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14015851
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Source: Thor #412, Volume 1
Writer: Tom DeFalco
Penciller: Ron Frenz
Date: December 1989
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http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_Vol_1_412
Versus Juggernaut. Solo fight 2.
(demonstrates willingness to battlefield remove too tough an opponent)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14024996
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14024998
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025000
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025001
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025003
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025032
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14025039
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Source: Thor #429, Volume 1
Writer: Tom DeFalco
Penciller: Ron Frenz
Date: February 1991
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http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_Vol_1_429
battlefield removes The Destroyer
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14008816
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In showings against powerful opponents like Hulk and the Galactus herald Firelord, Thor demonstrates his ability to use directed lightning strikes, teleportation, and resourceful command of weather in response to difficult battle situations.
The Hulk 2001 Annual is one of the sources.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14011826
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14011979
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14011980
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14011984
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14011989
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Thor demonstrates an ability to (simulate?) phasing and also heal himself from severe damage with Mjolnir
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14008844
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World War Hulk
not quite fodder. hulk versus monet , strong guy, and other random xmen. parallel to the level of comp prime faced
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14008808
The link version. Note after the necessary transition phase how everything is clickable, sectioned, relevant to the discussion, and, to the greatest extent possible at any given moment, updated with reference information.
Flashes stopped him for years http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14008600
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Source: Infinite Crisis #7, Volume 1
Writer: Geoff Johns
Pencillers: Phil Jimenez, George Perez, Ivan Reis, and Joe Bennett
Date: June 2006
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Tony Stark aka Iron Man, battle strategist and info gatherer. Notice the Avengers propensity to use teleportation if/when necessary against powerful opponents (Phoenix 5 in this instance) http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14010159
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Lol. Its kinda funny the double standards he applies: for example, he disregarded scans of SBP BFRing the Anti-Monitor, and of SBP punching through the 5th Dimension, and of him BFRing the planet, because, crucially, he doesn't do it in battle. Its within his character to do so, though - shatter the planet.
He then showcases how Tony uses teleportation tech against powerful opponents. But neglects to show how its used in battle as a strategy for BFR. I guess he has Thor for that, but why show Tony doing it? Ultimately, he's throwing as much mud as he can, and hoping some of it sticks.
Pretty much everything. I don't think Prime has the power to drop Hulk. Then looking at what has dropped him and comparing it to what has dropped Prime, I think Hulk is superior. Zeus has pounded and when I say pounded I mean POUNDED on Hulk for a long extended amount of time and Hulk was still awake (but wrecked). Prime was nearly dropped by Conner with well placed hits, beat down by the titans, etc, etc...
The limits it takes to drop Hulk is pretty much skyfather and above...its pretty obvious Prime is below this. Minus versatility, I would rank WWH just a tad bit above Prime.
Yah...I mean, one of the main criteria with which you are basing your opinion, is that its obvious that WWH can output enough power to drop Prime, after all, look at what HAS dropped Prime in the past, Conor, TT, etc...
So I'm saying, considering a pissed BA had about three free shots at him, and DIDN'T drop him, that must mean...BA<Conor, right? Or since the end of the Prime/Yat fight looked like this (before Yat gets his shields breached by lead, so not counting subsequent beatings)
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It must mean that Conor > Ion Yat, right? Because Prime looks fine, Yat is bleeding. And this was just after Prime had been weakened and was being beaten down by the top heralds.
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Sep 17th, 2012 09:57 PM
What sorcery is this?!
