Thats crazy dude, u have to get some sleep. dont U have to go back to work? I'd be knocked out right now but am waiting for a repairman to arrive and fix my lawn mower. I just logged in to read up on the ownage thread while I wait.
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The Kitchen, grill and giant fan at my workplace were burned to ashes i haven't been at work for almost a month im going to tie rocks on my ankles and take a swim in the Potomac..
The thing you're overlooking is that, after absorbing power, Rulk HIMSELF is now stronger. When he drained Silver Surfer of his power, for instance, Rulk himself was then able to wield the power cosmic.
When he stole Hulk's power, Rulk himself got stronger.
It isn't JUST that he drains the person and the person becomes a non-threat because of that, although usually that is enough because the person doesn't have the ability to recharge as would be SBP's case,
it is that Rulk HIMSELF becomes more powerful, and remains that way for a time.
Again, think of Parasite. Or, if you want, Rogue.
In fact, Rogue would probably be an even better model.
She kisses and makes contact, she becomes stronger.
Sometimes her opponent becomes weaker. Sometimes not.
But she herself becomes more powerful.
For instance, in her very first appearance, she absorbed a portion of Thor's powers. Temporarily neutralized Thor, but, more importantly, made her strong enough to escape the other Avengers, which she might not have been able to do so easily without Thor's power.
Red Hulk after absorbing SBP's power would be far more powerful than base-level Rulk. Just as Rulk after absorbing Hulk's power was stronger than base-level Rulk. Just as Rulk after absorbing Silver Surfer's power was then Rulk with cosmic power, regardless of what Surfer did afterwards.
It's not that Rulk absorption provides a weaker SBP to deal with.
It's that it provides Team 2 a physically stronger Rulk, potentially one physically matching or exceeding the strength of SBP himself, as was the case with Green Hulk before Prime.
Blue, pR already stated to use latest showings, i think we should abide by that but if you want to pursue this can you calculate how much energy is produced by light resting on a person's finger tips? That's what rulk will be working with.
Bluewater, so wait, you argue that SBP cannot BFR the planet into the sun, because that's not what he does?
Wrong.
He does do it, in character:
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Otherwise, another option is, he breaks the 4th wall and tells the writers to make him win:
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But WAIT! You said he doesn't do that anymore, most of his subsequent showings show how he likes to get up close and personal. And that would be his undoing, as Rulk would then be able to absorb his powers.
Alas for you, Rulk cannot absorb powers on the same scale. You posted some pretty pictures, now allow me:
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So either you take the current versions (and kudos to you for trying to cloud the issue by using dead Ares etc), which would mean last we saw of Rulk, he cannot absorb powers, and SBP has broken the 4th wall...or we arbitrarily take them at a point in time when they were using their powers to the max (so Rulk can absorb powers, and SBP can BFR planets).
What I wrote was the following, which you can find on page 5 of this thread.
Superboy Prime, IN CHARACTER, does not push an entire planet into the sun to win a fight. He FIGHTS up close and personal, as comic after comic demonstrates.
In character? He doesn't care about any earth except his own. He's smashing things up. All the others, in character (except maybe Ares) hold back....even te Hulk and Iron Man.
Current/latest versions of these characters? Thor and Hulk isn't needed, Ironman solos. Wondergirl gave Prime a fight during his last appearance. Hulk or Thor would destroy him.
Again, Superboy Prime, IN character, WHEN he is actually formally fighting someone, not just behaving wantonly, fights straight-up, up close and personal.
Carver is making a valid point but he's stating it the wrong way.
The premise is correct; in order to see what defeats a character, you cannot simply look to whatever the greatest thing they've ever done is.
For instance, someone claimed earlier that Superboy Prime tanked a Universe destroying explosion or something to that effect.
Actually, he did not, the fight against Monarch caused a chain reaction effect. It wasn't one great big blow. Rather a very fast wave.
Earlier, Monarch set off a much smaller detonation that hurt Prime. Prime said as much himself. The explosion was powerful enough to wipe out an entire army. Strangely enough, Donna Troy, in the same proximity as the army, survived the blast, and protected a friend from that same explosion with her body. So we know that explosions can hurt Prime, and at that, explosions that Wonder Girl can survive and remain conscious against. (Proximity is another issue, though. There is often, though not always, discernible difference between taking a ground zero blast and getting hit with an otherwise all-consuming shockwave.)
Moot either way. Ignore that Superboy Prime had the Guardian Amp when he took the blast (that's why he was in the form of SuperMAN Prime and not SuperBOY Prime when it happened).
Ignore that it was a chain reaction effect destroying whatever Universe it was in.
It's still moot. For it's not something the Avengers are likely to be using against Prime in their own Universe even if they CAN replicate such a devastating effect. Moreover, it's unnecessary.
(If they find a way to safely remove bystanders from the equation, though, this does become an option. Or if the Avengers find a way to remove this fight to arena where no one else will get hurt. And this team is probably expertly equipped to do the latter what with Tony Stark and Thor on the team. More on that later. For now, back to the "enduring explosions proves invincibility" fallacy ...)
Explosions are ultimately rapidly expanding gas and/or concussion waves. They aren't something solid being directed against a person's head. Solid objects driven to the head, though? That DOES affect Superboy Prime. It's been proven too many times to dispute. Fists to the face. THOSE hurt him. And those the Avengers have in their ability to deliver with great force.
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