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If that makes your e-dick swell with joy, have at it. I rarely do back and forths here; it's not why I post. Given that we damn sure don't see eye to eye on this one, I don't really see the point in repeating myself and turning this into some multipage affair.


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Stop talking about my eDick. I mean, at least take me out to dinner first.


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LoL, you people...

18 beat the crap out of a SSJ Vegeta and broke his arm. SSJ Vegeta > Wonder Woman.


A>B>C logic tends to fail when we're talking characters from different universes/stories/genres/whatever IMO.

I think Diana has lots of ways to win the fight. Whereas 18 is limited imo.


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Isnt Diana meant to be faster than Superman, at least in h2h?


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I'm not sure if Trinity (the arc this was in) is canon though. I think it is.


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Even if it isn't she's still been on Superman's level in speed and strength, so she destroys 18.


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Current Diana gets owned though.


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Didn't current Wonder Woman own a god recently?


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I'm not sure if Trinity (the arc this was in) is canon though. I think it is.


It is.

There's also another Trinity story about how they first met which isn't canon, but the maxiseries trinity is.

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Didn't current Wonder Woman own a god recently?


Yea, Artemis.

She took off her bracers to do so, which increases her power.

Dunno how strong DCnU gods are, but she did have the upper hand against Hal Jordan with the bracers still on (though to be fair, recent Hal has... not been impressive compared to pre-reboot Hal. Even though the GL story is one of the ones continuing on).


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The bullet blocking argument doesn't amount to much when the weakest and most pathetic character in DBZ was still capable of this (:45).


I don't know much about Wonder Woman, but how is she going to hit Android 18, or block any area of effect attacks akin to this, or dodge something like this?


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Wonder Woman has blocked the combined power of the Greek Pantheon with her bracelets. Here and here. And if you're talking just area of effect her bracelets create a force field when she crosses them.


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I honestly can't tell what's happening in the first two--looks impressive though.

Questions: Is WW physically capable of withstanding 18's strikes (as in her flesh and bone, not her bracelets)? Is her Force field capable of A) surrounding her body? and B) strong enough to withstand DBZ energy attacks? Can she keep up with 18's speed? And are WW's strikes strong enough to hurt 18.

Nobody seems to be answering in much detail.


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WW can take hits from Superman and match his speed, so yes to taking 18's hits, keeping up with her and dealing damage.

Forcefields are tougher than herself, they can probably take all but the strongest ki blasts.


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The bullet blocking argument doesn't amount to much when the weakest and most pathetic character in DBZ was still capable of this (:45).


I don't know much about Wonder Woman, but how is she going to hit Android 18, or block any area of effect attacks akin to this, or dodge something like this?


Not to mention that DBZ attacks are about lightspeed levels. Piccolo (at PwrLv 322) in early DBZ shoots the moon and it's destroyed about 1.5 seconds later.

By the end of BDZ, Vegeta is more powerful than Perfect Cell (PwrLv 165,000,000).


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Does anyone have scans of her bracelets deflecting or blocking something that we can compare to ki blasts? Like, what's the most powerful/largest/most destructive thing her bracelets have withstood? And once again, can they cover her entire body? Cuz if they can, and if they've been shown to withstand attacks that would otherwise obliterate the world she's standing on, she'd be very likely to win.

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Not to mention that DBZ attacks are about lightspeed levels. Piccolo in early DBZ shoots the moon and it's destroyed about 1.5 seconds.
True dat. Can Diana block energy attacks powerful enough to obliterate satellites at light speed? That was Saiyan saga Piccolo, 18 circa the Android saga is several hundred... thousand times more powerful than him.

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By the end of BDZ, Vegeta is more powerful than Perfect Cell (PwrLv 165,000,000).
I think you're off there. Goku was at 150 million while fighting Frieza (120 mil., I believe). By the time we get to Perfect Cell, we have to be approaching the billions.



Really... TFS said it best.


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Android 18 was at PwrLv 23,000,000, if the internet can be trusted.


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It can't.


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Android 18 was at PwrLv 23,000,000, if the internet can be trusted.
The levels change from source to source. Different dubs, manga, games etc. Most seem to go by the Funimation dub, which is what I cited above.


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I honestly can't tell what's happening in the first two--looks impressive though.


The Greek Pantheon creates some stupid fireball and she deflects it.

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Questions: Is WW physically capable of withstanding 18's strikes (as in her flesh and bone, not her bracelets)?


IDK. How strong is 18?

Wonder Woman has taken blows from bloodlusted Superman before. Professor Zoom was also beating her up at one point with lightspeed attacks and she claimed it hit harder than Supeman. Naturally she shrugged it off and beat him.

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Is her Force field capable of A) surrounding her body? and B) strong enough to withstand DBZ energy attacks?


I don't know if it surrounds her. The Force Field is part of her bracelets so I assume its as strong as they are. Also since as you can see it blocked Power Girls punch, yeah probably.

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Can she keep up with 18's speed?


She once beat up the Justice League while bindfolded. It was noted she was having trouble with Flash's speed but then compensated and got a punch in.

Here she gets punched at the speed of light by Zoom (as fast as the Flash) and then claims that he's not actually faster than her. She later beats him by kicking rocks at him and then lassoing him. While blind.

Theres also this. From what I've heard all those streaks of light are moving at lightspeed.

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And are WW's strikes strong enough to hurt 18.


How durable is 18?

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Nobody seems to be answering in much detail.


I hope that helped.


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Her bracers do create a force field all around her body. Atleast they did preflashpoint.


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