No. What I'm saying is that because a rape victim can commit suicide at any point—i.e. if she values death more than her life as a rape victim—she has that choice. Thus, it's more morally ambiguous than murder.
Saying that murder is worse than rape is different from saying that rape is morally ambiguous.
Let me rephrase: how does it make it morally ambiguous to any degree?
Since you love maffs I'll put it this way: negative one is greater than negative two, but wouldn't it be a mistake to say that negative one is "positive", even in comparison to negative two?
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to him who loved them so.
Where the faint murmurs now dwindling
echo o’er tide and shore."
-A Grave Epitaph in Santa Rosa County, Florida; I wish I could remember the man's name.
It wasn't meant as an insult, but rather to point out that you've given in to the glorification of death in media.
You disagree with that death is final?
It doesn't make it ambiguous, simply less ambiguous.
It's like saying that an accelerated proton in the large hadron collider is slower than the speed of light in vacuum. But that doesn't necessarily mean that said proton is slow by any conventional standard.
No I'm not, you misrepresented my position proving that you did in fact not understand it. It's not a topic open to debate. Swallow your pride and move on.
Don't insult your own intelligence by passing it off as something that its not.
I disagree that the finality of death somehow makes it ambiguous on the moral compass(more or less or at all) as you explicitly stated on the previous page.
How is it morally ambiguous to begin with ?
Your retarded analogy actually tells us that just because it is less morally ambiguous(heaven knows where you even got the premise behind such a strange notion) doesn't mean that it isn't morally ambiguous by any conventional standards.
If its not a topic to debate then why are you even debating it? Plus, you're still wrong in this assumption of yours.
I didn't say that it was ambiguous, I said that it was less ambiguous. I've clarified this in three posts already.
Once again, I never said that it was.
Your replies are the only ones displaying hints of retardation. I never said that rape is morally ambiguous.
You must have one heck of an ego. Let's break this down. This is what you thought I meant:
This is what I actually meant:
Notice the lack of correspondence between your explanation of my position and my actual position. Proving, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that you didn't comprehend it.
I'm more repulsed by a 50+ year old man having sex with a nine year old than the marriage in of itself.
What does the time span and it being "common all over the world"(was it really?) have to do with anything? I'll ask another like scenario, slavery was common and in many parts of the world a 1,000 years ago, should I therefore not think slavery is wrong? Not that you'll likely answer, as you have a tendency to dodge.
Also find your dismissal of the act under the "benefit to the child and family" clause to be disturbing. Almost like it's okay to rape a child, as long as they[the child] benefit in some other fashion. Very NAMBLA-ish.
If you look at your own post more clearly, you'll see that this vague moral relativism that you've been harping on about for the last 2 pages is exactly what I assess from your post. You're trying too hard and failing too hard to make this any more complicated than it already is.
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I do not know where I should start in this article
Result
The beauty and wonder of this remarkable behavior
Love and compassion - equality between boys and girls - education and character building - health care - breastfeeding ..... and lots and lots
Continued with me in all fields
Mercy of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him with the children
Kissing .....: A kind of physical contact, kissing is an expression of love that the Prophet often resort to. Sources indicate that his daughter Fatima and his grandchildren Hasan and Hussein (Abu Davud, "Adab" 144; Tirmizi, "Menakib" 50) kissed and he recommended it to others.
Seeing the Prophet kissing his grandson Hasan (or Hussein), a person named Akra b. Habis found this behavior strange and said: "I have ten children, but I have never kissed any of them." The Prophet gave this meaningful answer: "The merciless mercy will not be treated" (Buhari, "Adab" 18; Tirmizi, "Birr" 12).
Joking: It is known that joke is very important for children, who have a rich imagination. In the traditions relating to this subject, was witness that the Prophet measured and meaningful jokes at the same time were full of wisdom and instruction both for his grandchildren, Hasan and Hussein, and other children made:
A companion named Mahmud b. Rabi said that when he was five years old, the Prophet took some water from a bucket and threw it in his face and he did the same with the other children (Buhari, "Ilim" 18).
The exercise of the back and shoulders: A kind of physical contact, carrying children on his shoulders or back was an act often performed by the Prophet. In particular, each time he visited his daughter Fatima, he would immediately Hasan and Hussein, who would come to meet him on his back as a gesture of affection (Alauddin Ali al-Muttaki, Kenzu'l-Ummal , XVI, 274). Once he prayed with his granddaughter Umame on his back.
Another event that is relevant to the subject is as follows: Although he was sixty verses recited during the first unit of morning prayer, the Prophet finished the prayer by reading one of the shortest verses in the second unit, when he was a child cry heard . When asked why he did that, he gave this useful answer: "I heard a child crying and I shortened the prayer so as not to give the mother suffered" (Nasai, Qibla 35).
Love shown to children is called "growth vitamin" by child psychology experts; because as a result of investigation and research, they have concluded that no kind of physical environment provided for a child or care shown can ever take the place of love.
On the other hand, in regard to socialization of the child, love that it has or has not seen plays a big role. When these realities are taken into consideration, it is obvious how important the love and interest the Prophet showed to children is from their perspective. The following examples of expressing love are manifestations of pure love in its most natural and plainest form that a father or grandfather can give a child.
Embracing: Recent studies made on the topic of people influencing one another demonstrate that physical touch is extremely effective. It is a fact that children who are still in the emotional development stage of childhood are perhaps most in need of love. It is foremost the duty of the parents to see that this need is sufficiently met. Many examples can be given on this subject from the Prophet's life:
Anas relates:
"I never saw anyone more compassionate to his family than the Prophet. The wet nurse of his son Ibrahim lived in one of Medina's border neighborhoods. The husband of the wet nurse was a blacksmith. Going there everyday to the smoke filled house, the Prophet would embrace, sniff and kiss the child "(Buhari," Adab "18; Muslim," Fedail "63).
As was the topic of many narrations of the Companions, the Prophet, sometimes going to Hasan and Hussein and sometime calling them to him, would embrace and kiss them (Buhari, "Fedailu's-Sahabe" 22; Tirmizi, "Birr" 11; Ibn Mace, "Adab" 3). He was not only showing this behavior for his own children, but for all children.
Ibn Rabia b. al-Haris relates: "My father sent me and Fazil, the son of Abbas, to the side of the Prophet. When we entered his presence, he had us sit on his right and left and then embraced us so tightly, we had never seen anyone stronger "(Ibn Hajer, al-Matalibu'l-Aliyye, II, 441.)
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