I agree that people went in with the preconceived idea of how Superman was going to be portrayed not the movie as a whole.
We disagree on this point. Nolan's Batman films made people forget the Tim Burton's films and accept a new generation of Batman. It had everything to do with the quality of the film.
Comparisons were made between Burton's and Nolan's films and good comments were still made about Nolan even though the first Burton Batman film was consider the greatest up until the Nolan's films.
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i see what you mean. However, i haven't seen anyone who dislikes the movie, say that the Reeve movies are technically superior to MoS; their entire point is that MoS isn't the same as the Reeve movies... that's not a comment on quality.
Even if MoS were the most technically made movie is history, those people would still dislike it because the tone wasn't the same as the Reeve movies.
Sorry but Nolan's TDK &TDKR KILLED every notion of what Batman was supposed to be, IMO. Nolan created Batman that was too self centred & lacked the mythos that criminals perceived him as a "demon of the night". Nolan's Batman was simply a man in a costume that used force & technology & not the psyche of fear that Burton's Batman inspired.
Remember this applies to the on-screen display of Superman.
I am going to be specific to what Reeves did not the movie as a whole. There are many things about the movie itself that were revolutionary for its time.
• The technology of the way he flew was revolutionary for that time. (Of specific note if you were to read up on how they did the flying you will see that if really was Reeves acting of flying that made it look so good on-screen)
• The Boycott attitude to the degree shown in the Reeves Superman movies became a standard expected by many going forward for any Superman to come.
• The persona of Clark and Superman.
• Most of all his Superman (Persona, powers, look) became the standard expected to be seen for an on-screen display of Superman.
There were no standards or household accepted version of Superman before Reeves version of Superman appeared on-screen.
On a separate note, I understand what you are stating. I actually thought he did very good with Batman's character in Begins but the last two movies he ruined Batman for me.
In fairness, conveying such a vibe is virtually impossible in live-action. In comics or in animation, you can take large liberties with visual realism. You can make Batman look like a mythic demon without contradicting the idea that he is a normal human.
You can't do that in live-action. He'd have to be an actual demon to have the visuals that comic/cartoon Batman does. Even Burton's doesn't really do it.
Or........if they don't like Superman. Believe it or not, in real life, I've ran into more people who see the movie in a negative light than in a positive one. Alot of times they say it's because they don't like Superman. Now how that is a judge of quality I don't know(it isn't) but that is what people say.
I think what he's getting at is in Batman Begins Nolan at least attempted to go there. Not so much in the sequels.
You're forgetting the fear in the mug's voice when he asks Batman/Keaton,"Who are you?!?!" To which Keaton replies ,"I'm Batmam."
Then in Begins, once again the 1st intro of Batman at the docks....hanging upside down,cape wrapped around his body like an actual bat,whilst watching the crims unload the drugs....then the ensuing fight using darkness to instill fear once again. These iconic scenes did not need Batman depicted as a demon but only for the crims to fear him as one. And yes sadly, this is what TDK & TDKR sorely lacked.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!You know I'm kind of mad I didn't think about that....but maybe if this happened people would stop complaining about Supes smashing shit.
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