It's one scene of basic political talk--basic in that, in one short paragraph they talk about abolishing the senate and installing terrorcrats as governors--not exactly the hot political ubiquity DDM's making the OT out to be. I mean, what other political talk is there... "I’ve just made a deal that’ll keep the Empire out of here forever." *rawr* *pew pew*??
The PT is full of sitting down on couches (or beanie chairs) and talking about politics, and votes, and motions, and Senator this and Chancellor that--all in a very stale, unconvincing, emotionless, robotic way too, so it's not even interesting political sitdowns. But I can think of exactly one couch in the OT where someone sits down and talks... but it's only about if the black guy they just met can be trusted. Is that politics? Am I missing something crucial about that word? The OT's all about wizards, force fields, lasers, spaceships, robots, aliens, good vs. evil, destiny, fighting for your right to party (also developed characters, an interesting universe, an exciting story, and an emotional investment to all of the above).
The PT's all about sitting down on couches and talking about politics with the all the enthusiasm and excitement of a Dementor's Kiss victim. Politics in Star Wars FTW? I guess?
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Last edited by Lord Lucien on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 07:06 AM
well i for one found the senate scenes almost as exciting as watching CSPAN.
__________________ "Your Lord knows very well what is in your heart. Your soul suffices this day as a reckoner against you. I need no witnesses. You do not listen to your soul, but listen instead to your anger and your rage."
I will not indulge these types of questions because I don't think you're genuinely interested in dialogue, you actually know what politicking took place in the OT, and just want to argue yet again why you like the OT better than the PT.
There is no such thing as genuine dialogue regarding OT vs. PT on KMC. So, to prevent this from turning into another one of those threads where Ushgarak issues warnings or thread closings: I won't comment on the topic in the open, any further.
If you're genuinely interested in dialogue regarding this (meaning, I'm definitely, wrong with my assumptions regarding your line of questions), send me a PM and I will politely discuss this with you, privately.
__________________ "Your Lord knows very well what is in your heart. Your soul suffices this day as a reckoner against you. I need no witnesses. You do not listen to your soul, but listen instead to your anger and your rage."
Huh. Why are you afraid to answer the question publicly? If you're so convinced I'm fishing for an excuse to argue against the PT you wouldn't bother in private messages or public. Anti-prequels is as anti-prequels does, regardless of privacy settings, right? This was raised in a public thread for all of us to see, so any answer to "what politics in the OT are you talking about?" you give to me, you can give to them.
And in case you forgot, in this particular case, you indulged with Queeq just one page ago as to the merits of the PT vs. OT when considering the politics. I furthered that by opining that the emotional lackluster of the characters meant the surrounding political dialogue fell flat, thus heightening the boredom of the political scenes, and further reducing the quality of the films. But apparently all you heard was another railing against some films you liked, so you decided to leave the sandbox and go home, leaving us behind to shake our heads.
I do not know what politicking took place in the OT. I can not think of a single scene of politicking. So, how about instead of feeling offended that someone's criticizing the Prequel Trilogy in the public Prequel Forum, you get off your soap box and actually give explanation for the observation that you publicly made, instead of shying away because the majority disagrees with your taste in film.
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Last edited by Lord Lucien on Jul 4th, 2013 at 04:02 AM
Ahhhh, yes, Queeq: a poster I actually like and respect.
Queeq and I have argued this subject, respectfully, for pages and pages, over the years. I cannot say that about any other member on KMC.
Ahem: "There is no such thing as genuine dialogue regarding OT vs. PT on KMC. So, to prevent this from turning into another one of those threads where Ushgarak issues warnings or thread closings: I won't comment on the topic in the open, any further.
If you're genuinely interested in dialogue regarding this (meaning, I'm definitely, wrong with my assumptions regarding your line of questions), send me a PM and I will politely discuss this with you, privately."
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
But I agree with LUcien though. I don't understand why such a topic isn't possible here. I think the political side of SW became extremely dominant in the PT, while in the OT it was mere background to demonstrate how evil the Empire was. That was the whole point: the Empire is the dangerous environment in which our heroes must make their way, trying to defeat it.
In the PT it seems to be used to instill some morality about how great a democracy is, but also how it can be used to increase power. And I know some people like that, but SW isn't The West Wing or House of Cards (where political intrigue has an urgency and is well executed). I like good political intrigue, I loved JFK which is 3,5 hours of political power play.
But the politics in de PT come nowhere near series like this. It's wooden, simplistic. And the whole concept of Mr. Evil gaining power bij endless debates and votes is far from sexy... And I agree, in the PT it's all extremely boring, especially because we also get treated with lavish multi-layered CG action scenes. Now, most of these scenes don't seem to be clear what they are about, so they come with a certain boredom at times as well.
And in the end... why do we need West Wing/House of Cards politics in a fairy tale like SW?
Well, I think that's a rather civilized post... I'm sure we can all do this.
Ooh that reminds me, I have to finish House of Cards. I'm 7 episodes in. Politicking on screen done right.
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
It's actually about Kevin Spacey. I know there's other stuff going on too, but it's Kevin Spacey. Pure Kevin Spacey. If you like him, you'll like House of Cards. He is the show.
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
I have an idea for the opening scene to Episode VII...
Show the usual crawl, talking about the New Republic, New Jedi Order, whatever. Then pan down exactly as in ANH, even show the planet Tatooine rise up from the bottom of the screen. Then have a Star Destroyer enter from the top of screen, and move toward the horizon, but just as we are about to see the engines enter the shot, we see the Star Destroyer is firing laser cannons at something behind it off screen. We also see blasts from the unseen enemy hitting the SD repeatedly. Then an armada of Republic ships enters the shot from the top of the screen. Several large cruisers, all following and attacking the Star Destroyer. Maybe even throw in a few X-wings swarming in the mix.
This would be the perfect way to start a storyline of the Republic washing away the last remnants of the Empire 20 years after the Battle of Endor.
I picture the next scene going straight to the Jedi Temple, through the halls, with people and other Jedi about and into a lone, barely lit room where an unknown robed, hooded man in Jedi garb, head bowed and on one knee, meditating, at the center of this round, stone room, in echoed silence, followed by the respectful interruption of an excited but disciplined youngling saying "Master Luke, forgive me, but you're needed at council chambers, at once. There's good news" Luke takes off his hood with two hands, looks at the youngling, smiles and nods. Luke knows It's more good news about the washing away of the last remnants of the Empire. Particularly regarding the skirmish after that crawl ..
__________________ "The darkside, Sidious, is an illness no true Sith wishes to be cured of, my young apprentice .."
"Everything's going great and it's awesome. But then it starts to suck awww "
Going from good to bad in order to set up the stakes and drama in a story where the goal is to turn it good again, is kinda... what's the word... redundant. Establish that good times were had, but now as of the film's opening, it's started to suck again. Time to reverse that. Even the wretched prequels knew to keep the same situational vein flowing. There's was bad-to-worse, and the originals were bad-to-good. Small victories scattered here and there, but one smooth flow through and through. No good-to-bad-to-good stuff. That makes the threat feel short-lived and small scale.
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
I hope we don't get a story about a young Padawan who finds some ancient Sith holocrons and starts to study the dark side in private before talking their love interest into running away and trying to 'Rule the galaxy side by side'.
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