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How close could thor come to bench pressing the earth once?
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Horrificus
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Yup. That's about 75,000 miles of ultra-dense Asgarding Serpent right there. (Yeah, I know, "that's what SHE said.") Anyway... Since ALL Asgardian matter is 3 times as dense as that of Earth, I would say we are seeing something that weighs about the same as the Earth, if not more.
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And, this is a beauty right here. Thor's body and all matter in the immediate vicinity is suddenly generating the equivalent gravity of a Neutron Star.
Neutron Star- 1 Sugar Cube of Neutron Star Material = 1 Hundred Billion Tons. His body, plus the mass of all the matter that envelopes him...
At first, he is knocked flat. Then, he is able to stand. Then, finally, he actually throws it all off of his body and moves freely.
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OK.
So, let's make it official. You guys are just deciding to ignore these on-panel feats.
Am I correct?
I just want to be clear on this. You guys have looked at the scans, statements and narration and are saying that it didn't happen, or the details given are to be ignored, etc.

I think that is FREAKING hilarious!

And, excellent ammo for future use. big grin

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And? It doesn't make it less impressive. Even though it's a shared feat, he is exerting equal force to Herc which makes it much less muddled. Don't forget, Hulk's HotM indirect planet busting feat is considered one of the most incredibly impressive feats of strength in all comics. In the end it's shared since Betty was on the receiving end of that impact as was Hulk to her.

Shared feats are less accurate in assessing strength levels. Maybe to hulk fans, it was an incredible feat. Superman and Kal-L did that 5 years before pak tried that.


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OK.
So, let's make it official. You guys are just deciding to ignore these on-panel feats.
Am I correct?
I just want to be clear on this. You guys have looked at the scans, statements and narration and are saying that it didn't happen, or the details given are to be ignored, etc.

I think that is FREAKING hilarious!

And, excellent ammo for future use. big grin

One is nowhere close to being a planetary feat and other is pure silver age hyperbole. What else is being ignored here?


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Shared feats are less accurate in assessing strength levels. Maybe to hulk fans, it was an incredible feat. Superman and Kal-L did that 5 years before pak tried that.


No. The illustration as well as the narration clearly portray an equal amount of force. Lol for you on not being able to see that. For that scan, your shared feat statement does not carry much weight. For some shared strength feats, it's a reasonable argument to bring up. This one, not so much... Smh..


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Meh! Cause one big enough earthquake and you can shift the earth's axis

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fe...th20110314.html


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Meh! Cause one big enough earthquake and you can shift the earth's axis

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fe...th20110314.html

Yeah, but the point is the type of force they're generating must be so high that it's indirectly causing a shift on the earth's axis. It's not like they're burrowing deep inside the earth and tearing shiet up. Punching someone on their face and getting a result is way different than punching somone on their face, but getting the same result to some other poor schmuch's face who was standing 100 feet away.


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No. The illustration as well as the narration clearly portray an equal amount of force. Lol for you on not being able to see that. For that scan, your shared feat statement does not carry much weight. For some shared strength feats, it's a reasonable argument to bring up. This one, not so much... Smh..

So thor is strong enough to provide half the force to cause an earthquake like that was depicted in the comic and shift the planet's axis in a backup feature in the comic which was meant as comedy? Here is the full scene

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Hurray for him, I guess. He's strong enough to wipe post-crisis byrne era superman's shoes who provided more than half the force to bring earth to its proper axis while it was propelled to sun by a skyfather level entity.


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The gravity doesnt mean a whole lot anyways, many spacefaring characters can actually fly through and around stars. Also? Where does that take place? Because the floor is entirely in-tact. The force of a nuetron stars worth of gravity forming on a planet would suddenly destroy it.


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Yeah, but the point is the type of force they're generating must be so high that it's indirectly causing a shift on the earth's axis. It's not like they're burrowing deep inside the earth and tearing shiet up.


From the scans it kind of showed they were burrowing down (2nd panel) and destroyed an entire plateau. You can put pressure on top of a plate causing it to go underneath another, which can cause an earthquake

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It's impressive sure, but proof that's planteary strength? I don't see it.


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One is nowhere close to being a planetary feat and other is pure silver age hyperbole. What else is being ignored here?
Midgard Serpent Feat- I think the reason the bottom panel is given is to show that it was a feat based in reality that actually effected the entire planet.

Neutron Star Gravity Feat- Probably caused Thor's body to become the equivalent of 2,030,000,000,000,000 tons.
Which isn't 6,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons of the Earth, but the material that enclosed around him would have been under the same gravity effect and who knows what that comes out to.
Either way, it's a nice feat.

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Midgard Serpent Feat- I think the reason the bottom panel is given is to show that it was a feat based in reality that actually effected the entire planet.

Neutron Star Gravity Feat- Probably caused Thor's body to become the equivalent of 2,030,000,000,000,000 tons.
Which isn't 6,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons of the Earth, but the material that enclosed around him would have been under the same gravity effect and who knows what that comes out to.
Either way, it's a nice feat.

No, it wasn't. You can apply math only so far.

Like I said hyperbole.


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They're also 1960s feats for the most part, even if they are canon, Thor hasn't been written like that in a long time.


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Well, I guess armwrestling must be 1989. Still 20+ years ago.


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They're also 1960s feats for the most part, even if they are canon, Thor hasn't been written like that in a long time.


You're going too far back.
The Midgard Serpent one is from 1983 and the neutron star one is from 1979.


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The very idea that you have to search back into the 80s and 70s and earlier to find random scans to even attempt to match the stuff Superman does year in and year out should tell everyone who pays attention about the different brackets the characters are in. Their maxes, are his average.


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Hulk in the last couple of years is the only one to match Superman's consistency involving big time in and out of combat feats, and it took canonically the strongest version of the character to match those averages.


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From the scans it kind of showed they were burrowing down (2nd panel) and destroyed an entire plateau. You can put pressure on top of a plate causing it to go underneath another, which can cause an earthquake

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It's impressive sure, but proof that's planteary strength? I don't see it.

Whoah! I know wut ure saying, but that's a little too much reality there. Dunno bout that, but I'm simply going by what the narrator says about enough force to put the planet out of its orbit. I don't remember the narrator saying they're causing an earthquake.
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The very idea that you have to search back into the 80s and 70s and earlier to find random scans to match the stuff Superman does year in and year out should tell everyone who pays attention about the different brackets the characters are in. Their maxes, are his average.
But Thor is not always portrayed that way. Characters like Supes and Hulk are almost always tied to strength. Most of Thor's portrayals connect him with magic and Mjolnir. You'll get the occasional strength feat, but that's not his calling card. We can't just dismiss his strength feats because he's essentially the same character from those comics.


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Wait? The arm-wrestling scan wasn't even on Earth.....

That brings up way to many questions, what's the size of the planet? what's the density of the planet? what's the gravity like? what's the tectonic plates like? etc etc


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We can't just dismiss his strength feats because he's essentially the same character from those comics.
I didn't dismiss them, though I take anything gold/silver age/bronze age with a grain of salt. What I said involves the idea that someone can take any few years of Superman and match them to his greatest career feats.


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It's impressive sure, but proof that's planetary strength? I don't see it.
Tectonic strength? cool

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If a story had Thor 'benchpressing' the earth, I would not necessarily go wtf. Part of why I buy the feat with Supes is because of the scene with the benching machine, and the artwork itself. It all came together real nice.

If Thor benched the earth for six days, then I'd say Marvel was being...provocative.


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