__________________ Originally posted by Arhael Okay, look. Um, me feels no agenda to meeting and vacuum in leadership position, so me has composed 12 point plan for good happy success.
Last edited by Rookwood on Jan 9th, 2013 at 04:52 AM
__________________ Originally posted by Arhael Okay, look. Um, me feels no agenda to meeting and vacuum in leadership position, so me has composed 12 point plan for good happy success.
He is psychically starved by the effort; he is not weakened in the sense as you put. Even after this so-called starving, he is back on his feet to fight.
@ Rookwood
Childish responses aren't going to win you any accolades here.
Life essence cannot be drained or destroyed through conventional means/Force powers. As an example: when Sidious lost control of his Force Storm (thanks to the Jedi), it destroyed his ship and physical body; but not his life essence.
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Life Essence is Force energy, which is what Nihilus eats.
Vitiate dies.
Nihilus wins.
__________________ Originally posted by Arhael Okay, look. Um, me feels no agenda to meeting and vacuum in leadership position, so me has composed 12 point plan for good happy success.
Bullshit. Last time I checked, Nihilus was not creating voids in the Force. If he could consume Force energy, then he would have been eating the Force itself instead of draining organic beings.
Also, in removed content, Nihilus was unable to kill Sion in a duel with his draining abilities. The intent was clear that immortal individuals cannot be destroyed through conventional means.
Force Storm can shatter the fabric of space itself. And yet, it couldn't consume Life Essence.
After an exhaustive search of the Kotor CG of about 5 minutes, I have found the entry for the Mass Shadow Generator:
'Utilized to deal a crushing defeat to the Mandalorians at Malachor V, the Mass Shadow Generator is a superweapon designed to draw upon the natural gravity shadows generated by a planet to unleash massive devestation on everything within the vicinity of the planet on which it is used.' - pg 109
As I have said, the MSG is a gravity weapon. It's called the Mass Shadow Generator for a reason, because it generates gravity shadows or ampifies them or something. Either way, it has something to do with gravity shadows, not an explosion. That Malachor has been split into pieces is likely the result of the planet being condensed until it broke, like it you tried to squeeze an apple in a vice.
Ok, conceeded. Re-checking Malachor's entry in the Kotor CG it mentions military bases on the surface. However that just proves where there could be survivors on the planet. The CG also says that the MSG destroys 'nearly everything' on the planets surface, not everything.
Again, the Campaign Guide sheds light on this, saying that 'Darth Nihilus raised the Ravager from the ruined surface of Malachor V' (pg 163) and that 'thousands of ships were dragged down to the planets surface' (pg 120).
So there, the Ravager was canonically on the surface of Malachor and so were thousands of ships.
Dude, you don't know how the MSG works so you can't act as if you know the only way Malachor could have ended up like that.
Did you make that picture? Its a shame that you or someone else spent so much time on something that's wrong.
Either way, this is besides the original point. I asked you where you got information about survivors being on ships orbiting the planet and you said that it was from descriptions of the destruction and its appearance in the game. Facing such a huge achievement in missing the point, I'm left with no choice but to conclude that you're full of shit.
Thanks for the compliment.
The fact that they are described using identical language suggests that they are not different in terms of nature at all. Both of them utilise the same technique and are Force Wounds. The only difference is that the Exile turned away from the Force out of fear and never felt a need to return to it, whereas Nihilus gave in to the hunger he felt through his new emptiness and devoured those around him.
No. Not at all. There were numerous other survivors.
You miss my point. Nihilus only hauled the Ravager off of Malachor after he had drained the Force from numerous beings and after his time at Trayas Academy. Before then he was empty of the Force and thus could not have pulled ships from orbit with it.
No it doesn't. You are seriously off-base with assuming that Nihilus needed to have shielded himself with the Force to survive Malachor's destruction. Numerous other people survived, as did 'thousands of ships' that were 'dragged to the surface' and Trayas Academy. The evidence suggests that he survived the destruction without using the Force, just as they did.
I know I am but are you!
As I said, the gravity-well extends to the planets surface. If nihilus merely pulled it to the surface, it would still be inside the gravity well, merely at the bottom of it. The only way to go 'from' a gravity well is to go outside of the planets gravitational field, into space. Either way, as I said, the Campaign Guide makes it clear that Nihilus 'raised the Ravager from the ruined surface of Malachor V'.
Don't care. If these websites have evidence then go find it. Otherwise I just don't care.
Where is the evidence that it did this? Because unless you can show me some I will not accept this foolishness.
Indeed, she could be metaphorical. And this quote you posted suits Force drain description.
However, drain and Force severing are different things. Wall of light was severing from the Force. Lumya and Jacen demonstrated severing from the Force on others. Are you saying they were using weaker version of Force drain? 0_o
And again, she said "feeding on death". That's too specific to be dismissed as metaphora because Force drain is all about feeding on Force of alive victim, not on his death.
You just drew line yourself between severing and drain.
It is, also, unknown, if it was Force drain that severed Kreia, unless you have a quote from any source to prove it. Remember, in game Nihilus Force blasts her and then Sion procedes to raping her, no visual of Force drain. Also, why drain would Force sever connection to the Force? If Force user becomes exhausted, he just needs some recovery time.
It is result of Force drain, not severing.
It proves that he feeds on life energy, not on death his technique causes as
claimed by Kreia. It is clear contradiction.
Considering that there are multiple source books with this event and none confirms that it was his Force technique obliterating the planet, yes. It's not a hard task to describe what happened. So far the best description is "blasted into ruin" and "obliterated". Neither implies some uber Force technique.
She sees life and death through Force. All she could feel at that point is millions of deaths. Similarly Kenobi felt destruction of Alderaan, yet, he was clueless what exactly happened.
Images reveal that buildings collaps and surface is being ravaged, while Force drain doesn't have destructive power, it is not a Force Storm. If you think otherwise, then how on earth Exile would be able to resist such destructive power in close vicinity, when it was capable of obliterating entire planet from kilometers distance??? Things simply don't add up.
Except they demonstrated targeted attack on Force users without any destructive power like in case with Katarr.
Hey, have I ever called you any names?
And it wasn't even addressed to you.
The only buffoon here is Rookwood and, yet, you seem to show far more respect to him.
You simply dismissed proof with assumption.
What you mean vitality? Is there some other energy other than Force that I am not aware of? Force bond or not she could get Force drained.
And you already used this quote above to support Nihilus' drain and now you bring the same thing to support your Force bond assumption? Make up your mind.
Moreover, this quote is applied to everyone because Force bond is not needed to empower others or drain.
Yet her other quote suits severance also: 'It is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes.'
No, they are different techniques altogether. Nihilus' technique involves forming a bond with people and then either dominating them and leeching their life or severing their connection completely and feeding on them.
Alive or dead, people are still connected to the Force. Remember what Yoda said, the Force is intrinsically connected with life itself. That is why severing something from it so completely that it leaves an absense in the Force causes death. And thats where the metaphor comes from. Its like if you say someones 'feeding on their suffering', they are not literally doing so, the term means that they are profiting from it in some way.
Lol. Whoops. I take it back. The real reason the Exile survived is simply because she just did. Unlike the Jedi Masters she could handle that degree of separation from the Force. This is why Kreia is so obsessed with her.
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Note that Kreia implies that surviving that level of severance is a unique occurrence.
'She teaches the newly christened Darth Nihilus to harness his life-draining gift to radical heights -- so effectively, in fact, that Nihilus saps Traya's powers in a calculated double cross.' Her powers were sapped, but in the cutscene she still managed to make her lightsaber wobble, hence my belief that she was not completely drained.
Also What. The. Fvck? Sion doesn't 'rape' her. He beats her up, he doesn't rape her. Jesus Christ.
A mere drain would not create such an absence. The Force is a universal energy field. Draining someone would just have you fill up again in time. Only such complete severance would cause a wound in the Force, as is described in game:
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Life = the Force. Severing and drain someone of the Force = death. Feeding on the Force equals feeding on death.
'As much as one may use the Force to bolster the wills and strengths of others, the reverse is possible, though not often used. Instead of sending one's will through connections in the Force, instead such connections are drawn upon, fed upon, and drained completely.'
'But all life is connected to the Force.'
'Then you understand how terrible such a power is. And why it must be ended.'
And yet when you ask Visas how he destroyed Katarr she specifically says 'It was not a thing done by machines or weapons. The Force is far more terrible and it touches many more lives than any machine could hope to slay.' When you ask Kreia how Nihilus destroyed Katarr she talks about his technique and elaborates on it. In Unseen, Unheard Visas says that Katarr died when Nihilus 'spoke' and we see that it was the result of a Force power, not from being bombed. The Kotor CG says that Nihilus has the power to 'devour worlds', not bomb them and feed off of their death. Your point is utterly without merit and hats why no-one who has actually played the game believes a word you're saying.
Kenobi merely sensed it, Visas' species has an actual Force power that lets them see through the Force instead of eyesight.So your point about her being blind is incorrect.
The technique is different from a mere Force Drain. The fact is that we see his technique destroy buildings and its described as being able to blast worlds to ruin.
Yawn. Keep denying whats obvious to everyone else. Maybe that's why I called you a buffoon.
No, I simply pointed out that they way you are interpreting her actions are not the only way that they can be interpreted.
The technique drains people through Forming Force bonds and draining teh target through the Force bond. It is supported by both Kreia and the Jedi Masters interdependently from each other:
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Last edited by Nephthys on Jan 9th, 2013 at 08:18 PM
I did not attempt to support my argument with popular opinion, so that does not apply. Thats merely a taunt, it is not an actual point. But please, your attempts to trip me up are positively adorable.
Originally posted by Nephthys I did not attempt to support my argument with popular opinion, so that does not apply.
That's exactly what you did, though.
You attempted to undermine your adversary's argument by exposing its variance from popular opinion. That's a textbook argument by consensus.
You, sir, are a hypocrite and a liar and a generally unpleasant person with a tiny penis.
Originally posted by Nephthys Thats merely a taunt, it is not an actual point. But please, your attempts to trip me up are positively adorable.
I didn't say it was an actual point, you tend not to have those. Leave the condescension to me and my ilk (your betters), child. You are a rank amateur in comparison.
If it's not an argument it is not an argument from popularity by definition. I never said he was wrong because no-one else ascribes to his theory, I merely taunted him about that fact.