Darth Maul and Savage Opress vs Anakin Skywalker and Ahsoka Tano
Location: Mortis Garden (Anakin and Ahsoka's showdown)
Rules:
Saber
Force
All-out
Team I (please log in to view the image)
Darth Maul:
"Fear. Fear attracts the fearful... the strong... the weak... the innocent... the corrupt. Fear. Fear is my ally."
Age: 34
Species: Dathomirian Zabrak
Gender: Male
Height: 2.13 meters
Mass: 80 kilograms
Cybernetics: Two cybernetic legs
Affiliations: Nightbrothers, Order of the Sith Lords, Trade Federation, Ohnaka Gang, Death Watch, Black Sun, Shadow Collective
Masters: Palpatine
Apprentices: Savage Opress
Known kills: Trezza, Meltch Krakko, Kilindi Matako, Fretch, Hubnutz, Siolo'urmanka, Patch Brute, Caba'Zan, Feen Fenoob, Vigo Morn, Silus, Anoon Bondara, Darsha Assant, Pavan, Darth Athea, Qui-Gon Jinn, Morley, Oruba the Hutt, Pre Viszla, Satine Kryze
Profession: Warrior
Weapons: Half of a double-bladed Lightsaber
Saber styles: Juyo, Dun Möch, Niman, Jar'Kai, Teräs Käsi
Force powers: Telekinesis, Grip, Choke, Push, Lightning, Mechu-deru
Savage Opress: (please log in to view the image)
"I'm not interested in profit. I want revenge. "
Age: 35
Species: Dathomirian Zabrak
Gender: Male
Height: 2.18 meters
Cybernetics: Prosthetic left arm
Affiliations: Nightbrothers, Nightsisters, Order of the Sith Lords, Dark Acolytes, Confederacy of Independent Systems, Shadow Collectives
Masters: Asajj Ventress, Dooku, Darth Maul
Known kills: Feral, King Katuunko, Adi Gallia, Black Sun council
Profession: Juggernaut
Weapons: Double-bladed Lightsaber, Vibro-axe
Saber styles: Soresu, Djem So, Juyo, Teräs Käsi
Force powers: Telekinesis, Blast, Choke, Pulse, Saber Throw, Dathomirian Rage
Team II
Anakin Skywalker: (please log in to view the image)
"It's when things don't go as planned that we Jedi are at our best."
Age: 21.9
Species: Human
Gender: Male
Height: 1.88 meters
Cybernetics: Cybernetic right arm
Affiliations: Gardulla the Elder's criminal empire, Watto's Shop, Jedi Order, Galactic Republic
Masters: Qui-Gon Jinn, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Ki-Adi-Mundi
Apprentices: Ahsoka Tano
Known kills: Tusken Raider tribe, Force-sensitive Tusken Raider, Admiral Trench, creature captured by Onyx, Tal Merrik, The Son, Techno Union scientists, Dooku
Profession: Guardian
Weapons: Lightsaber
Saber styles: Djem So, Niman, Ataru
Force powers: Telekinesis, Jump, Push, Mind Trick, Speed, Farsight, Sense, Barrier
Ahsoka Tano: (please log in to view the image)
"Many lives are caught between the Republic and the Separatists."
Age: 16
Species: Togruta
Gender: Female
Height: 1.7 meters
Affiliations: Jedi Order, Galactic Republic
Masters: Anakin Skywalker, The Son
Known kills: Edge, Ox, Sobeck, Dar, Garnac
Profession: Sentinel
Weapons: Lightsaber, Shoto
Saber styles: Shien reverse grip, Ataru, Djem So, Niman, Jar'Kai
Force powers: Jump, Telekinesis, Push, Sense, Jedi Mind Trick
Last edited by Sybrael on Jan 22nd, 2013 at 06:48 AM
Ashoka's a non-factor. She dies quickly, and a Rage Enhanced Anakin grabs her Saber and pulls an Obi-Wan on the duo. Except he unlike in Obi-Wan's fight, if Opress goes down then so will Maul eventually.
Though I’m not sure if Ashoka is a non-factor.
She can easily jailbait Savage who will try to oppress her, rather than focus on a fight.
And Maul… let's say he will be frustrated because he cannot do anything to her, considering his eh...lack in some areas of physical prowess.
Team two rolls..
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She can keep distance and distract one of the brothers but either of them can Force handle her.
Even if Anakin gets enraged, there is still a problem. Anakin is Djem So practitioner. Style that lacks mobility - one of the most important attributes, when fighting multiple opponents. While we see him using Jarkai in AotC but that wasn't exactly impressive performance and he abandoned Ataru since, while Kenobi at that point was already Master of this style.
In short Anakin's style is best for fighting single opponents. Enraged Anakin would stomp either brother but against both of them he has no chance.
I recall Anakin's used Jar Kai a couple of times in Clone Wars (just for a short time) whenever a second Saber presented itself. And he is supposed to be just as skilled as Obi-Wan.
And I doubt think he abandoned Ataro. I mean we thought Obi-Wan did, but obviously not. And he is supposed to be just as skilled as Obi-Wan(blade for blade they were identical) and knows his moves inside out (as Obi-Wan knows his).
The main problem I see if the brothers combine their force powers on him then he's screwed. Heck they are each deadly enough on their own in that department.
It's hard to say. From one side their styles indeed seemed identical in RotS, the only difference was philosophy with which they approached the fight. Anakin demonstrated good kicking ability as well. But still it doesn't make them identical in every single bit, for instance Kenobi isn't as good at Force defenses as Anakin. Kenobi on the other hand is good at taking advantage of surroundings, while Anakin gets pissed off and just goes at opponent in a straight line without caring for anything else.
Anakin before changing his style wasn't Ataru Master, while Kenobi was.
We can't just assume that Anakin can pull out all the same tricks as Kenobi. And don't forget in what circumstances Kenobi chopped off Anakin's limbs. I can give you many examples of how characters attack from a jump. The only explanation is that acrobatics is not Anakin's thing.
It's also only possibility that Anakin will figure out to grab second lightsaber and not a fact that brothers will let him do it.
Moreover, Kenobi changed his style but still relied on agility, not strength. But Anakin almost abandoned dodging in favor of strong posture. Fighting multiple opponents gives no room for generating powerful attacks, I can't see Anakin giving a good fight without relying on strength.
That's rather unsupported, things don't work in SW like that, unless it is Karpyshyn books. Characters normally need to catch opponent off guard or get some rage boost.
Maul couldn't Force handle Kenobi even 1x1. He managed to choke him only after getting angry enough and still probably because Kenobi was too focused on physical combat part.
Brothers couldn't combine Force power against Kenobi. They had their chance to combine power against Sidious, but didn't, it doesn't mean that Sidious is more than twice powerful than them though.
The fact that Kenobi stalemated Anakin, yet, failed to resist less powerful Dooku implies that it's all about skill. When Sidious Force blasted brothers at beginning, it didn't to do anything ground breaking. But, when Sidious caught Maul off guard in the midst of fight, Force attack that logically supposed to be less powerful than the first one, took out Maul for considerable time.
Overally, Anakin tanking Force attacks of Dooku who Force handled Kenobi while fending off Anakin is far more impressive than two brothers that were unable to Force handle Kenobi together. Remember that Kenobi was still combat effective after choke, so it doesn't count.
Obi-Wan was supposed to have abandoned Ataru after TPM when he wasn't a Master either.
The chosen one's path to mastery is much quicker than most people's. I don't believe he just abandoned it. Rise of Darth Vader is set only shortly after Revenge of the Sith in which Vader is said to be trained in every form.
I wouldn't say he knows all his tricks. But how many tricks did he use against the brothers? He just fought them in a straight up fight.
Don't forget Anakin's opening move in that fight! He started it in a backflip. And losing his limbs was due to a leap from a disadvantageous position which Obi-Wan was prepared to meet. I doubt if you reversed their roles that Obi-Wan could have made that jump more successfully.
Starkiller in TFUII also notes that Vader was trying to get the high ground over Starkiller which would lead to a stalemate(because Starkiller wan't stupid enough to contemplate making such a jump). This was towards the end of their Saber fight.
It seems to be what he does when the opportunity presents itself. Also the Brothers didn't stop Kenobi getting Adi's Lightsaber, probably because they wern't bothered about it and assumed he wasn't a threat on his own.
There's no point in knowing different styles unless you use them appropriately. Anakin would be forced to adapt in that situation.
(Well he should be capable of doing so anyway).
I don't think Sidious's force tk is actually greater than Maul and Opress's combined, but it would be a lot more difficult doing it to the superior force user.
If Maul or Opress can't force choke or Force throw Sidious individually then the chances of them combining the powers in perfect coordination to do it is pretty unlikely.
Whilst if either on of them force throws or temporarily chokes say Skywalker or Kenobi, then it would be very easy for the other to join in.
I agree with the catching off guard thing, but let's face it in a 2 vs 1 it's pretty likely one of the 2 will get an opportunity to catch the 1 off guard as well.
I think both of the brothers do have superior Force TK than either Skywalker (unless he goes all Mortis Uber) or Kenobi individually. Heck Opress alone has floored both of them with a Force wave on a few occasions.
Oh and by the way Maul almost force chokes the life out of Kenobi in the comic book "The Sith Hunters".(Set in between Revenge and Revival and has a special thanks to Katie Lucas and Dave Filoni at the end). Maul doesn't even ignite his Saber. And it does put Kenobi out of the fight. Maul and Opress then run from a group of Jedi.
Maul also put Kenobi out of comission with his Force Blast in Revival (yes the rage was probably building up at that point. But it tends to happen if your losing the Saber fight).
Also it would have been difficult for Opress and Maul to combine force powers in that situation. Opress's powers are not that focused to elegantly join in the force choke in a condined area. Also he may have let Maul just do what he was doing, which was pinning Obi-Wan against the wall for the brothers to physically attack. (Of course the likely reason he didn't join in the force choke could be because he was already battered and on his knees at that point Lol).
Last edited by Darth Thor on Jan 26th, 2013 at 01:27 PM
Even though Anakin is Djem So practionor doesn't mean he lacks mobility, he has obviously overcome that atribute as seen in ROTS, hes very fast and agile. Ahsoka Tano would probably get injured or even die, but by no means is she a non-factor.
I say Anakin Skywalker and Ahsoka Tano take this, but not unscathed.
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- Thomas Merton
Never is it stated that 'blade for blade they were identical'. Anakin actually was the superior fighter by RotS, and the only reason their fight was extremely close is due to the fact that, as you pointed out, they knew each other's moves inside out. In TCW, however, I don't know where Anakin truly stands in terms of lightsaber combat.
Then, judging by what you're telling me about Anakin, this fight goes to team 2. Ashoka is very weak compared to either of the brothers and I'd normally say that someone as weak as her would be a non-factor, but since this is Ashoka we're talking about, she'd most likely utilize her sneaky abilities and her cunning to either trick, taunt or effectively distract at least one of her opponents, while Anakin deals with the other.
You need to chill out bro. Just because you don't agree with my stance on Sidious vs the Zabrak brothers doesn't mean you have to attack everything I say just for the sake of it.
He's done more than just give Count Dooku trouble. He's very nearly overpowered him. And that's while the Count was using all his superior force powers on him.
So yes Skywalker is easily the 3rd most powerful Jedi after Yoda and Mace. And clearly a top-tier Saber duelist.
Anakin soloes the saber duel. With Ahsoka fighting off Opress, this is overkill. Collectively, Savage as Mauls force powers are significantly better than Ani/Snips. However, in the end I feel team 1 would be victorious.
You misunderstand. It wasn't intended as 'an attack to what you said'. I would've said that to anyone else, not just you. I genuinely believed it was never stated. I haven't read the RotS novel in years. My bad.
Jan 22nd, 2013 06:43 AM
