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The game makes it clear Link cannot interact without the boots just like Bo. Without the boots neither can even dream of winning. They had to cheat because they are cheaters.
Boots help him stop Gorons, not lift or throw them.
The Boots make him heavier so his lighter frame doesn't get knocked back, its basic physics and doesnt mean anything against or for the strength needed to survive, lift and throw Gorons.
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If its so obvious then be so kind as to tell me how 'instincts' will stop a shockwave coming towards him?
So youre admitting that it has nothing to do with awareness and is only to do with his violent nature? Cool.
2+ at a time = what Link does against monsters on a regular basis. And point at a video and yelling 'there!' doesnt help in a comparison to their awarenesses.
Oh wow you seriously back on that point after skipping on your response to when Midna ever helps a sword drawn Link in combat?
I don't recall an asskicking nor do I recall ever leaving.. O.o
He can canonly talk and don't remember any stupid acts so.. yeah.
Uber levels? Again, where? Unless you want to go ahead and tell me how a person can react to something they neither see or hear?
Now I want you to explain how someone can have the upperbody strength to lift/throw/push/knock around things that weigh tens to hundreds of tons but not have the upperbody strength to hit even slightly harder.
In-game feats + creator portrayal statements > your ideas on portrayal.
And 'highest' feats? Lets see...(and do me a favour, if the weights upset you that much simply ignore them, not asking you to accept numbers in this post);
Stopping a large charging goat (1 ton compared to irl animals), being only knocked out from a blindsided head club by King Bulbin (can knock around multi ton boars), picking up Gorons, throwing Gorons (Boots only help the stopping, so these feats count, 5-10 tons), picking up Dangoro, throwing Dangoro (again, bootless feats, about 50 tons) pulling chains of a giant stone beast (3 times taller than Gorons), can walk in magnetized Iron Boots (more than Dangoro), moving metal cages (think its 30 tons), can take an axe strike to the face from King Bulbin unphased (multi ton) pulling a chain to lift up a room sized metal chandelier (more than the cage), can easily cut through metal armour (ton or two? /shrugs), can swing a large steel ball around (3 tons), can push around huge blocks (in the hundred ton range), can throw the iron ball do destroy steel and large volumes of ice (multi ton), can knock around 3 story tall Ice masses (in the hundred tons)..
Thats 16 feats putting him in the superhuman range. 8 of those above 10 tons, 2 above 100 tons. If these are his 'high feats', tell me all about his mid feats and low feats.
Also, if Im a TP fanboy for only debating their side.. does that make you a Harry Potter, True Blood, Troy, Mortal Kombat, LoK and Castlevania fanboy? o.O
I remember him beating one skilled human, and some soldiers. Is that literally everything on the skill topic? Achilles beat one or two skilled humans in one to two-on-one for the scenes I remember Vs Link beating gangs of monsters, some who wield swords and come in groups of five-on-one or more.. and that makes his skill no-where near Achilles' level? O-o
And on that skill thing? Darknuts; "Their sword skills are quite accomplished." Strong, durable, skilled and with pretty fast attacks. And Link can take on four at once :T
And okay, we get it, you're anti LoZ.. no one will accuse you otherwise O-o
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Spin it anyway you like without the boots he can't do a thing to the Gorons. Russell didn't need an anchor to stop a moving car. Bo also beat the Gorons.
I have already explained myself multiple times. You copying and pasting yourself isn't debating.
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He would attack before Link did. Link's inactivity is what made him susceptible.
No, it has to do with awareness and being aggressive. Quit trying to make everything black and white life is grey.
Link isn't in any war type situations with organized troops he's fighting dumb henchmen very loosely organized if at all. That's the point.
Midna helps him in various other ways. Without her aid he can't even knock the Beast Ganon on his ass. That's just one example.
You usually disappear for days to lick your wounds.
Being shy around girls, being defeated by Zant without even putting up a defense and just standing there, etc.
You act first. You are proactive not reactive. It's battle you don't stand there and let your enemy do something first while acting like a numbnuts.
I said he is superhumanly strong. So is Achilles. Link isn't immune or durable to the point he can't be harmed by swords. Nor does he blow swordsmen over with his strength in the manner you zelda fanboys frequently beat your chests over.
All what Bo can do. This isn't how things occur in fiction. I will post what I more or less adhere to in comics as a general outline as opposed to feats in a separate post since it's mammoth.
It's how he interacts with his peers not his fanboy calculated feats.
No, since I debate based on objectivity whereas most zelda fans ignore certain pieces while accepting highest feats only and ignoring everything else which doesn't fit into their Link centered universe.
Achilles is constantly beating a succession of soldiers while commanding a boat of men to overtake the beach. We see leadership and tactics employed not some kid with little experience and a weirdo girl's help. Entirely different universes. Zelda is kiddie whereas troy is manly.
The monsters aren't organized and lack skill. I had a Dorf sig so I am not anti LOZ.
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This is something a poster on herochat came up with. It seems to follow my sense of debating in a generalized way.
Shuruku demon.
( 1 ) When it comes to gauging relative strength levels between characters, considerably more importance should be placed on how they seemed to compare in any direct fights/contests, than who lifted or smashed the biggest object (I will refer to such feats as 'power feats' from this point forward). Especially when those power feats have taken place under different writers, who may well have different views on how powerful certain characters are to begin with. Direct meetings tend to give a far more consistent picture than power feats, precisely because there is usually only one author involved in any such comparison. Moreover, they are also clearly intended as comparisons, whereas random power feats usually only give us a benchmark for a single character.
( 2 ) If two characters have never actually met or been directly compared in any way, then the next port of call should be so-called 'ABC' comparisons… ie, looking at how they fared against the same, or similar opponents. This is not usually as ideal as a direct comparison (unless it all happened in the same issue, in which case it's almost as good), however, it is still more reliable than comparing random power feats by different writers. Obviously common sense should be used as well. Just because one character succeeded where another failed, it does not automatically mean they were stronger or more powerful. The specific nature of the showing/s must be taken into account.
Granted this is comics it still applies differing mediums of fiction. Link despite his uber strength showings isn't on another level than his opponents. Games that stress someone is on another level I take into account but in this game even Bo was able to be strong enough to overtake a Goron with the boots.
Take for instance the movie Immortals. We see Poseidon leap into the water creating a force of impact unimaginable but the first time we see him interact with the Titans they are still powerful enough to hurt him. Just like with Link all his enemies are able to hurt him making him their peers not their superior in combat.
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You have not once even answered the actual question. It's a very simple one, and sadly there are only two valid answers.
You can answer in the positive, indicating you believe that the boots make him stronger, or you can answer in the negative, indicating you do not believe that the boots make him stronger. You have done neither.
And you've just admitted why, you are boxed in, but I didn't have to put you there, you did it yourself by making nonsensical arguments and trying to ignore anything you didn't like; admitting they don't make Link stronger forces you to accept that Link can lift and throw Dangoro and is stronger than Fyrus.
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For one I don't think the Gorons weigh as much as you believe. It's all speculation and secondly Bo did so disproving Link is some superhuman stud separating himself from his peers. Link is strong enough for the task but in fights he is just a peer to all his enemies not some super strong beast in the manner you subscribe to.
Even if link is just human level, Achilles isn't much better. He comands an army, link solos giant monsters. Achilles is a tactical genius, link picks up on moves and strategies almost instantly. Achilles has a spear he can use once, link has a bow with multiple arrows. Achilles just doesn't have an advantage bro.
2. They're not random powers as these feats outrank all his feats in consistency.
3. There no ABC thing going on.
4. Link has several 'direct meetings' that solidify his feats.
5. The major difference is as you noted; s/he's talking about a comic where this is a game. Why thats a big deal is that games have gameplay which must be challenging and fit the style of the game. No superhuman can one-shot in games.
100 tonner Link not one-shotting weak, human level monsters.
Skyscraper tall Titan wrestling Kratos not one-shotting weak, human level monsters.
Planet busting Asura not one-shotting weak, human level monsters.
Its gameplay, youre meant to take time defeating opponents.
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Its not spinning, its asking a very.. /very/ simple question. Youre talking about stopping them, Im talking about throwing them.
Not that it matters, agreeing that Link's superhuman and all.
Once again talking about a preemtive strike, dodging the point about his instincts aiding him when a shockwave is coming at him. Please answer this. And for your other point, why would he attack a motionless guy he doesnt even know is a threat? How is he going to strike (get weapon, cock arm, step in, attack) before Zant sends a shockwave with a simple thought?
And I ask, what has it got to do with awareness? How does not noticing passive beings summoning a portal behind him have anything to with an aggressive combatant launching attacks at him. If I was able to stand next to someone and stab their side with no resistance, that doesnt mean that guy has lax reactions.
Organized troops means nothing in a situation when he's fighting 2 human soldiers at a time :/ What would you personally stand a better chance against; 2 human soldiers w/swords or 5 wild beasts with swords surrounding you? Same 2 soldiers or 4 10ft tall trained armoured knights?
You mean when Link is in his Wolf form? I specified a sword drawn Link in combat.
Been busy, same reason you took 3 weeks to reply in the other thread.
Don't recall shyness and don't need to as shyness has nothing to do with intelligence... Like I said before, Zant scene means nothing. What Link saw; Turns around and sees some guy he doesn't even know standing there, not moving or being aggressive.. for what reason should Link think "I must defend against and vanquish this stranger standing here"?
You thinking Achilles would strike him is basically the same as you saying that he attacks ever stranger thats ever in close proximity to him, 24/7.
Didnt know Zant + nothing aggressive + no movements + Link not being a stab-everything psychopath = No reason to attack a guy that's not your enemy.
Link takes an axe to the face in a cutscene. Tbh I thought Link was durable but I didn't think he could every take a sword attack unharmed until SP posted that vid a lil while back <- durable.
Mortal Draw, Link uses a single strong slash to one-shot everything that isnt a mini-boss <- strength.
Gorons (huge rock busters that take hits from each other), Link slashes at them a few times and it temp knocks them down <- strength.
Wrong. All Bo did was grapple and push a 5-10 ton Goron out of the ring. Link was able to lift them up, throw them, do the same to a Goron several times larger and many more higher feats.
Pushing a Goron in a sumo match (Bo stops here) < defeating a Goron < lift/throw a Goron < pushing room sized metal cages < pulling up a larger metal chandelier < lift/throw Dangoro < pulling boss Goron < Pushing room sized metal blocks < knocking around small house sized Ice mass (Link stops here)
Bo's strength is not on Link's level.
Who needs calcs when we all have eyes? Don't need calcs to know that all the Goron, cage, block and Ice mass feats are well into a higher superhuman level then cutting gold.
And peers? Fighting Gorons that want to kill him using strength, and not a friendly wrestling match (normal, large and boss). Tanking a axe from King Bublin. Being able to one shot foes with Mortal Draw. Defeating Blizzeta with strength alone.
Please, when I was against LoZ fans in dozens of debates when I wasnt a fan myself, even I was smart enough to recognize their real level. Have to be blind to ignore literally every strength feat shown. Thats not Zelda fans, thats anyone that accepts what feats are for any character.. And highest? 16 feats above the no feats you can produce to counter. 6 peer interaction pieces, including every non mini-boss, above the nothing youve shown to counter.
Summed up: Achilles beats two human soldiers at a time, can tell people what to do before he runs off and is a man.. hope that wasnt meant to sound impressive.
Quan in this whole thread the only ignoring is you with every single feat from Link in favour of what you want him to be.
Soldiers present but unknown skill ≈ Darknuts present but unknown skill "Their sword skills are quite accomplished."
Soldiers athletic strength < Darknuts superhuman strength
Soldiers bare skin < Darknuts thick durable armour
Soldiers athletic attack speed ≈ Darknuts fast attacks
Soldiers attacking 2v1 < Darknuts attacking 4v1
Beating 4 Darknuts is more impressive then beating 2 humans.
With the neg comments on it, bizar descriptions (kiddie, crying, begging) and all those threads.. you sure you're not? O.o
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Registered: May 2007
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Your location says Hyrule. You are one of them. Like you could fool me. Bo and Link just needed the boots. You can't prove the Gorons weight. They are strong enough to overcome them. That's it. Boots are required as well due to their lack of weight. I see I am in your head as well. Keep stalking me I find it cute.
Feb 26th, 2013 06:33 AM
Bo and Link just needed the boots. You can't prove the Gorons weight. They are strong enough to overcome them. That's it. Boots are required as well due to their lack of weight. I see I am in your head as well. Keep stalking me I find it cute.
