how odd. then again tfn is a silly place. perfect example of what happens when a bunch of people make a habit of blindly agreeing with eachother.
but just so we're clear, i wasnt labeling any speculation as false. for all we know maybe vader did hate the idea of the deathstar. the point i was making was that no evidence was given for or against, as vader never gave his opinion on the thing.
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What do you mean by TFN being a silly place? I don't quite understand what you mean by that, bro.
I used to have an account over there, but let's not discuss that on the boards and derail this thread, I can send you a PM about my horrible TFN experiences.
Nothing in the story contradicts or confirms the theory that Vader didn't really think the death star was useful or anything, he just said that the power of the Force was much greater than the death star's power. But he did say not to be too proud of the death star, a technological terror.
But I don't think Vader was against the usage of technology in and of itself., I mean he flew around in his starfighter and his tie fighter and he loved his star destroyer.
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you have a weird way of wording an agreement as a contradiction/disagreement. oh well. anyway yes thats what i was alluding to:
it can possibly be argued that he was also expressing resentment for not being properly respected, with the empire seemingly placing technology ahead of the force in importance. notice everyone treats him like a foppish old relic in ep4, and tarkin goes on to suggest that vader/the force is obsolete. this, again, has everything to do with vader's dislike of certain senior officers' attitudes toward the deathstar, not the death star itself.
__________________ "Your Lord knows very well what is in your heart. Your soul suffices this day as a reckoner against you. I need no witnesses. You do not listen to your soul, but listen instead to your anger and your rage."
Yes, but he said to not be too proud of the death star, as the powerful of the Force is much more powerful than the death star's technology, so what he said probably did involve the death star.
You said that TFN in a wierd place? How so?
Personally, I love the idea of Emperor Vader in Episode 3 (the darth vader that never got burned up and never became more machine than man,) blowing up alderaan in ANH, with the death star in his empire, looking like a middle aged Hayden Christensen.
I hope the TFN speculation is false. I just love the hypothethical ROTS Emperor Vader with the death star.
I think the ROTS Emperor Vader, as this thread is all about, and I'll request a title change thread very soon, is much more interesting than the Luke joining Vader in TESB or ROTJ.
right, but again you have to take the context of his words into consideration, as it related to the argument. the soon-to-be-choked officer goes on a tirade about how the rebels are powerless and that the death star was invincible. it was an admonishment against hubris and over-reliance on technology, not an admonishment of having and using said technology.
i already told you.
*shudder*
its not false speculation. its just that their speculation in that case was figured with false data. (proceeding from the notion that vader hated the deathstar, based on a misinterpretation).
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I now mean that I wish their conclusion was false, don't you?
What exactly was the false data of the specific TFN users?
What does hubris mean?
I should have told them this at TFN and actually wrote more meaningful posts to expand this discussion with them, but I made the mod lock the thread unintentionally by my bad posts.
Conan antonio motti was talking about the death star being the most powerful thing (the ultimate power) in the universe, and that it was invincible and impossible to destroy.
I should have explained that to them.
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i find their misinformed speculations to be of no personal consequence.
the assumption that vader disliked the death star.
pride/arrogance
__________________ "Your Lord knows very well what is in your heart. Your soul suffices this day as a reckoner against you. I need no witnesses. You do not listen to your soul, but listen instead to your anger and your rage."
I don't think Vader's comment about the Force being more powerful than the death star had to do with their disrespect of him-I mean, the Force can only choke you or zap you with lightning at it's best.
luke turning off his targeting computer and blowing up the deathstar using the force to guide him?
were you not impressed or did you just miss those parts?
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I think it may have been a foreshadowing to the Force destroying the death star, maybe.
The Force could give people eternal life, and it could even destroy the death star itself. I don't think Anakin knew the second part about the death star being destroyed by the Force though, definitley.
well "afterlife" really, unless you suspect palpatine wasnt lying.
absolutely he suspected it.
vader is clearly speculating on a possible threat to the deathstar by the rebels possibly using the force. its clear as day.
__________________ "Your Lord knows very well what is in your heart. Your soul suffices this day as a reckoner against you. I need no witnesses. You do not listen to your soul, but listen instead to your anger and your rage."
the topic of the discussion was a possible rebel attack and destruction of the death star using the technical plans. vader was directly answering a declaration that the death star was invincible. its blatant.
you are disagreeing with fact, not speculation. i mean, feel free to do so, but you are absolutely wrong.
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I don't think Anakin would be strong enough to kill Palpatine straight away. He would take a while to get stronger, and depending on if he received further training. That's just my take on it, EU fanboys gon' rage.
Yeah, Lord Lucien was right, the ROTS alternate ending was just a video game non canon ending. Anakin wouldn't just kill Palps right away.
Palpatine had mastered to the Force to the point of never sleeping. That's why Vader never got the chance to kill him in the OT. If Vader tried to strike him, the force lightning would kill him. He needed Luke's help.
But, as GL had stated, Anakin would have eventually grown to be twice as powerful in the Force as Sidious had he never been burnt on Mustafar.
Yeah Padme died of an achy breaky heart--one way or another she'd be done for.
Vader's weakness to Lightning was established in both RotJ and in Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader... until TFU came along and blew that out of the water by having Vader zapped by Kamehame-ha sized Lightning blasts. The EU's kinda gay sometimes.
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She died of a broken heart. The darkside wasn't gonna save her either way. Either Yoda takes one of the twins and vader takes the other in a duel or vader takes both of the twins.
The lightning destroyed his life support suit.
Yeah, I hate EU plot holes just like the next guy.
Yes, it's true that in the context of the scene they were talking about the possibility of the rebels blowing up the death star, but I don't think Vader was talking about a possible Jedi pilot blowing up the death star at that point.
Mar 1st, 2013 08:34 PM
