Ah, thanks for the clarification about SSG Goku's and Bills' power difference.
Heh, I actually agree. Yeah, he's a more fun villain than most of the others character-wise, let's leave it at that. Pretty fresh needless to say compared to all the god/superiority complex stuff.
"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."
I know that this is non-canon, but Broly appeared to have destroyed one in that Legendary Supersaiyan movie.
If the Z-fighters were at the same level in that movie as they traditionally are in every one of their canon appearances, then that would make Broly the one with the greatest feat in the entire DBZverse.
Plus, Goku did beat him by absorbing 3 Supersaiyans and 1 Supernamek's powers. Kind of similar to how he turned into a pseudo-god by absorbing other saiyans' energy in his first attempt to reach SSG.
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Well, we actually know that Broly didn't destroy the South Galaxy, because most of movie 8 took place in the South Galaxy. We also know that most of the galaxy was still intact, as evident by the multiple planets and thousands of stars we were able to see throughout the film.
Also, in the most canon Jap-dub of movie 8, King Kai states that the South Galaxy would eventually be destroyed if Broly wasn't stopped-- not that it had been destroyed.
Yes, it took Gohan, Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo adding their power to Goku for him to win. Although it should be noted that the Z fighters were extremely weak at the time, as they'd just been thoroughly thrashed by Broly-- the Saiyans, for example, couldn't even maintain their SSJ states. This certainly isn't as impressive as if they'd shared their full power with Goku.
On top of all the above, Broly didn't transform into a LSSJ until he battled the Z fighters on New Vegeta. So if you believe Broly can galaxy-bust, you would also have to believe he is capable of doing so as a RESTRAINED SSJ(which was the most powerful form he could assume while being mind-controlled.) And just for a point of reference, Goku was able to contend equally with restrained Broly as a base-level Saiyan... And base-level Goku most certainly is not a galaxy-buster.
Food for thought.
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I'm sorry if it upsets you that some claims have not been substantiated but, yet, later talking points make them definitive and still not actually substantiated. It's almost as if you don't want the claim to be true despite 2 additional facts that make it true.
It is like...you...want this information to be wrong because you have some sort of vs. argument going on somewhere or in the future. Who cares about that vs. crap? I don't. So GTFO with it.
Correction: dialogue-only "feats" that really don't matter in this thread since it is not a vs. discussion.
The notion that Broly one-shotted a galaxy is blatantly incorrect and can actually be proven wrong. However, Cell's solar system boast cannot be definitively proven wrong in the same manner-- it can only be contested/disputed based solely on an individual's personal opinion.
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Selective, eh? So which words did I reject in order for your use of 'selective' to be correct?
Hint: In order for "selective" to be accurate, I would have to have accept some statements and rejected others. And the statements, from which you are driving both rejection and acceptance with your use of "selective", would need to be equal in context and weight in order for 'selective' to apply.
But, quite clearly, Broly did not one-shot a galaxy.
I wasn't talking or referring to you in that post, dude. My selective comment was simply poking fun at NemeBro. The Broly fanboys would prolly beg to differ with you on that last part though, not that I think it's true that he one-shotted a galaxy.
So what you are saying is that Cell never backed up his claim that he could destroy a solar system, and that Bills is the first character that has been confirmed reliably to have such power?
On the restrained part, for one, Goku never really got the vibe of the extreme levels of ki that he sensed initially while searching through the Legendary Saiyan's trail of destruction. Neither did Piccolo, not until after Broly had transformed. Not to mention that stars being visible in the sky from a single planet's surface doesn't mean anything either in regards to whether the galaxy was destroyed or not. We can see the Milky Way through our telescopes, yet we're part of the Milky Way. Food for thought.
Still, putting aside all your arguments here, how do you account for the starting scene in the movie where a galaxy gets rapidly destroyed?
Another point, Super Saiyan God doesn't necessarily need to be created from the energy of supersaiyans. I clearly doubt that any of the original 6 saiyans who created the first God, could transform into supers.
And if the Mily Way was destroyed, we wouldn't be able to see it on a clear night (or with telescopes). In movie 8, you can clearly see tons of galactic stuff.
Additionally, either the galaxy was destroyed and everything else contradicts it or the galaxy wasn't actually destroyed and everything else proves that.
The scales are heavily in favor of the galaxy not actually being destroyed and that visual sequence was PIS.
Don'e we still see light from stars long gone? I've heard that before. So maybe they still saw light from stars that have died. Just food for thought. I don't believe Broly actually destroyed the galaxy
While Goku was IT'ing through the south galaxy, we saw him streaking past stars: (please log in to view the image)
If stars were left intact, the galaxy was not destroyed.
Once Goku arrived on one of the planets Broly caused surface-level destruction to, not only do we see another intact planet in the background, but we also see multiple stars in the background as well: (please log in to view the image)
If planets were left intact, the galaxy was not destroyed.
This is an image taken from just before Comet Camori strikes New Vegeta: (please log in to view the image)
Hundreds/thousands of stars in the background+the planet itself. If planets and stars were left intact, the galaxy was not destroyed. If the galaxy was destroyed, we would not be able to see all those stars with our naked eye.
This is all secondary to that fact that IF Broly destroyed the south galaxy, he would have had to do so as a RESTRAINED SSJ, because he never went LSSJ until he battled the Z fighters later in the film. If you believe restrained Broly is a galaxy-buster, then you must also be prepared to put base-level Goku near that level as well, given that he was roughly equal to restrained Broly in his base state.
...And considering that as of BoG, base-level Goku's PL<120m, I find that hard to believe. /shrug
Thank you for taking the time to do this. I started to put together a post like this but abandoned that once I ran into a brick-wall of not being able to find those very specific scenes on Youtube. Kind of makes it difficult to create screen captures of scenes you cannot find.
To add to your post, the closest canon evidence we have of how powerful Goku was around the time Movie 8 took place was the Cell Games and Cell claimed to power up an attack that would have been around star-system busting. Several orders of magnitude smaller than galaxy busting.
So, yeah, there is a massive power difference between the level of Cell-Games Goku and Bills.
I suppose that supports your idea that Vegito really is a multiplication of power. That's just absurd to think about how powerful Vegito really was (and how powerful Goku becomes at the end of the series).
That video...was...horribly done but the logic is correct. lol
In that video, we so most of the South Galaxy disappear lol. I don't know if it makes any sense, but arguing that Broly can destroy a large chunk of a galaxy, at least in a certain period of time, seems to be a reasonable assumption to make.
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My selective comment was simply poking fun at NemeBro. The Broly fanboys would prolly beg to differ with you on that last part though, not that I think it's true that he one-shotted a galaxy.
