This isn't a CISless battle...Thor isn't draining anyone here. Lol...Thor isn't withstanding Goku blitzing the hell out of him with class 100 punches. Thor isn't hitting Goku, Thor isn't blasting Goku. Thor is wide open to any attack Goku wants to hit Thor with. You all are not getting it...
Thor has never fought so fast that "regular eyes" would be unable to follow the movements. Thor simply is not fast enough to keep up with Goku, base-level.
And before the comic book butthurt starts pouring in because Thor can keep up with and tag speedsters: that's hyperbolic writing that I reject and throw out. Bad writing on Thor's character.
Threads like these should not be made. 616 Thor is not the same even within 616. It varies from author to author. So, for threads like these, I would prefer someone name a specific iteration of Thor and the clust**** of variation from the entirety of 616.
Something Thor has repeatedly done throughout his history isn't CIS off mode bro. We're talking draining, not soul sucking.
Thor's taken repeated beatings from the Hulk and gotten up asking for more. Goku can't keep up with that physically.
Of course Thor will hit Goku. Just like he's hit Surfer, Hpyerion, Gladiator, Quicksilver, and the many other speedsters he's fought.
Just saying "no he won't" isn't an argument.
What you choose to accept hardly matter. Thor's got a history of keeping up with speed. He's had a hard time with the little guys from time to time, but has had just as many more more good showings against the big boys. If you're going to pick and choose what to accept and reject, It'll be easy enough to reject Goku's speed period. It's bad writing on his character.
Wrong: It matters directly if I create a thread with Thor in it. If I stipulate that we use Thor from Straczynski's writings, we use that Thor. Because Thor's powerset is varied stupidly from author to author (because they decide, pretty much, what goes and what does not), I reject the use of the entire 616 Thor (and many other characters) because it's too dumb.
Because the OP did not specify, any poster can pick and choose which iteration, of the dozens of Thors out there in 616, to use in this thread. You can chose one that reacts well to speed blitzers. You can chose one that doesn't. You can chose one where he is amped to the max by Megingjörð or one where he is not.
In order for this thread to make any sense, you'd have to choose which version of Thor is fighting which version of Goku. SSJ2 Goku is not enough. It needs to be "Buu Saga SSJ 2 Goku" or something.
Incorrect: that's just what comic book fanboys would want to say. It is much easier to discuss Manga characters than comic characters because you usually get the same writer and usually great consistency with the characters. Not so with most major comic book characters. Even with in the same volumes, you can have up to a dozen or more writers in comic books. And don't get bent out of shape, like I know you will, because you think my argument is "manga>comic books". That's not my point.
It's sad when Thor say Wolverine is too fast for him. The only way he is hitting Goku is if Goku allowed it. Thor had never fought anyone that fight in the fighting fashion Goku does. Saying he fought Surfer and Gladiator is all nice and dandy but he would get blitzed just like Surfer and Gladiator would if thety fought Goku.
That is a horrifically flawed way of thinking. Throughout Thor's history, he's had his highs and lows of course. He's also had his averages. Which is what is used in forum fights to make things fair. Thor isn't like a manga character who has one really long story where powerlevels flux immensely. He'll have his low, his high, and his average. All of which are taken into consideration and an average is figured. It's why Thor is a high herald and not an abstract. He's certainly hurt enough of the big boys to justify it. But only a fool would call him one.
No they can't lol. They'd be retarded if they did that. "Thor" with no elaboration, suggests standard Thor. Why the hell would you think any other way? The thread starter isn't saying" Goku vs Thor*
*Possibly King Thor, Rune King Thor, Mortal Thor, B&T Thor, Old King Thor, Teen Thor, etc."
Thor is Thor. With his bad speed showing and his good ones. You can lowball if you'd like and someone else will highball him. Averages however are the way to go. If you don't read enough of him to know what average, it's not my problem.
You're inability to discuss more complicated character with non-bullet train histories doesn't have anything to do with what comic fanboys would say. If that's not what you're trying to say, it's what you're suggesting.
You don't know a thing. Much less what gets me bent out of shape.
You think (and I can understand your logic to a point) that Thor needs to be specified with different writers. Such as a JMS Thor right? In that case, it would work because JMS Thor is typically considered OF Thor. But if you're seriously trying to say that every varying interpretation of Thor, or a Thor written by a different writer needs to be specified that way like "Jurgens Thor" or "Fraction Thor" "AvX Thor" or some such, you need some help there. Thor throughout his history has had his different incarnations of course, but those are specified. And VIA Forum rules unless also specified, a character goes in with his standard gear. So you thinking simply saying "Thor" means he has an entire arsenal of his weapons throughout time at his disposal, is flawed thinking.
"Thor" means standard, high herald, Mjolnir wielding Thor. It's really not complicated unless you try to make it complicated like you seem to be doing. In Goku's case, had it just said "Goku" I'd have assumed he'd get everything he usually has. SSJ3 capabilities, maybe some senzu, things like that.
So, yeah. What you choose to accept hardly matters.
Imagine if I did that. "No. Goku can't blow up planets. It hurts his character and creates too many inconsistencies." Wow that was easy.
The only sad thing here is you. Obvious lowballing is obvious. Did you know a python is all it takes to beat the Hulk?
If a bunch of high-end or even high-average feats from Thor are to be flat out ignored, why not do the same to DB?
" Even though the average showings from DB has them far from Planetary or MHS, we still all agree they are because they have shown to be able to do so."
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The crazy thing about your posts are, you keep basing things off of collateral damage, it doesn't work like that and anyone who knows anything about DBZ knows this. Sad thing, you all entire argument is based entirely off of collateral damage. Is this an anime thing? Is this how you all debate. You might as well say Frieza>>>Cell or Nappa>>>>>Tien. It's a terrible way to debate and on AVERAGE, Goku is above planetary and collateral damage doesn't change this.
Alright, you've admitted that I am right. That's as much as any reasonable person could hope for in a comic book fanboy. You've satisfied my interest this discussion, already.
I've been around this forums for years: that's not what people use in vs. debates regarding Thor. Nice try, but you won't be able to use that. I know how it works.
Wrong: people use his high-end feats in vs. discussions in the comic book vs. forum. They don't try to approach it with an "average" either. And since Thor has some absurd outliers (both low and high), an average is not appropriate. An average that does not include at least 5 high and low extremes would be more appropriate. If we were to use that, the top 5 high end and low end feats are thrown out. Then you're left with a plethora if low end feats (because there are quite a few of this) and the high end feats being thrown out. We have a Thor that is not nearly as strong as most retards debate him as.
Wrong. If you believe as such, you're obviously ignorant of how varied Thor actually is (and your post indicates you are not which means you're just trolling). Thor is so varied it's stupid. As specific version of Thor needs to be specified because "Thor is not Thor."
"Inability?"
Your intellectual limitations are the only inability in this discussion. You literally do not get it. Not all iterations of Thor are the same.
Says the guy that admitted I was right.
remember this:
"King Thor, Rune King Thor, Mortal Thor, B&T Thor, Old King Thor, Teen Thor, etc."
hahahahahahaha
If I intended that to be what I meant, then I would have stated that. Sure, many writes have different versions of Thor, but not all writers have different versions of Thor. Some are similar. It is when we have stupid version of Thor getting pwned by low-end contenders that we should throw that shit out. Also, the absurdly high end bull-shit should be thrown out, too. lol at your reply, here.
Wrong: Goku, in SSJ2, can be hugely varied. Thor is MUCH worse than that. At least, with Goku, you can specify which chronological arc and it scales: not so with Thor because Thor is all over the place. You have to be very very specific with Thor.
Wrong: what you choose to acknowledge hardly matters since I'm inexorbly correct and you woefully ignorant. Wallow in your ignorance all you want: I'm still right.
That'd obviously be incorrect, thought. That's what you don't get: planet busting was an early established feat for beginning DBZ characters. That's the problem with your logic and why it fails.
Ok lol? taking my statement out of context satisfies you? Cool. Feel free to get lost if you're so satisfied But you won't. Because you're not.
yeah...obviously you don't. I'd love for you to go and use that in the VS forum though "NO. I REJECT THOSE SHOWINGS. SPECIFY WHICH INCARNATION OF STANDARD THOR WE'RE USING!"
Not quite. An average Thor, is a high herald Thor. That's how he's viewed even with the super mega high end ridiculous feats he has.
Now why could that be? Oh, because he's being averaged down.
Well of course. Depending on the discussion. But those high end feats (and I mean the real high end feats) are not used to prove that Thor can beat a peer with. It's not like you'll see someone saying "Thor clearly beats Thanos because he knocked out the PF." Know what I'm saying?
I don't think I'm trolling. I found your post fairly funny though so I felt like hassling you a bit. Not much more to it.
Thor is Thor though. That's what you can't get apparently. If Thor's being lowballed, the poster gets called on it. If he's being highballed, he also gets called on it. Until a standard power level is reached. That's really not difficult to understand. From your posts, I can infer that you actually believe in what you're saying, and it's kinda depressing. /shrug. Thor's a lot more simple to argue with than you're trying to make him be.
You are correct about something though. Thor is very varied. It's the reason averages are there though. Throwing out horrendously low end feats, and not using super high end feats either because those aren't as consistent with history as Thor's averages are.
Yes sir. Inability. That you're even arguing what you are is more then enough proof.
Dadu...relax XD Of course I agree with some of what you're saying. I just disagree with most of it. If you're going to pretend you find that hilarious for some reason, I simply won't give any slack and just hammer the point down over and over
anyway though
...What? You actually think people get confused over what Thor is being used when only "Thor" is specified? The only reason other titles like that are specified is to stray from classic standard power level Thor.
You don't need to slap me in the face and straight up word for word your intention. (please log in to view the image) It's easy enough to infer.
Holy Crap. Do you know what you just did there? You just averaged Thor. Well done my friend
What on Earth are you talking about? SSJ2 Goku is...SSJ2 Goku. The one who fought Majin Vegeta and in the anime, kid buu for a bit.
Comparing him to Thor's variation is...interesting anyway.
Ignorant? About many things yes. But on this. This is your ego not accepting its wrong. I've been there many times
But why? Most of their attacks shown rarely blow up mountains let alone planets. It's too much inconsistency for me. I need specifications!
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But you won't. Because you're not.
You actually think people get confused over what Thor is being used when only "Thor" is specified? The only reason other titles like that are specified is to stray from classic standard power level Thor. 
