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H'el.

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Mind you lol so can you just categorise what you said...what was the ft suppose to be? was the superboy fts supposed to be about speed or about strength?


Ah sorry. Top scan is about his speed, little lower I ended up putting the matter manip feat against superboy and forgot to edit what i wrote at the start of my post. Sorry bout that.


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Sentry doesn't stand a chance in H'el.

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1 - h'el. hard.
2 - split

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Sentry got so much going for him as a character, and marvel can do alot with him. I think he's problem is like thors. He's too strong to be a earth based marvel heroe. So marvel either kills them off or sending them into space for gay stories. Its like marvel has a hard time thinking of good ideas\ plots for really strong earth based heroes. But sentry I feel more so then most you can work with he's a junkie, he's mental, he has a beasty evil side, he has a stupid crazy wild powerset, like really you can base plots around him you never could for alot of characters. Mental\ unstable enough to have a low tier character as a opponent, beasty enough to have him throw down with the high tier folk.

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Sentry got so much going for him as a character, and marvel can do alot with him. I think he's problem is like thors. He's too strong to be a earth based marvel heroe. So marvel either kills them off or sending them into space for gay stories. Its like marvel has a hard time thinking of good ideas\ plots for really strong earth based heroes. But sentry I feel more so then most you can work with he's a junkie, he's mental, he has a beasty evil side, he has a stupid crazy wild powerset, like really you can base plots around him you never could for alot of characters. Mental\ unstable enough to have a low tier character as a opponent, beasty enough to have him throw down with the high tier folk.
This,expect the part of characters being too strong for earth...


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The problem with Sentry isn't his power level, but rather his character and how he's handled. Between Jenkins and Bendis, they introduced a character that was the first major hero of the "modern" Marvel Age that had ties to every single hero on the planet and was beloved by everyone until he made them forget about him. That in of itself is a huge F-U to continuity and completely trashes a lot of characters' own back stories. Take for example Rogue.

Rogue's lack of being able to be touched/touch another person is a huge part of her character. Yet, somehow, she and Sentry were able to have intimacy with one another. If Rogue was able to have intimacy with anyone, it would have vastly effected her personality and lot of issues she's had concerning her powers, let alone someone like Bob. Yet, he was her first or something post mutation.

That's just one example of how Sentry as a character completely mucks up Marvel's already dicey continuity.


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And the fact that at times he came across as some sort of horrible Marty Stu.


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First Sentry storyline was incredible tho.

Things didn't go to hell before Bendis got his hands on the character.

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And the fact that at times he came across as some sort of horrible Marty Stu.


This, too.

The guy was loved by everyone, the most powerful hero, the best friend of Reed Richards, the only guy who befriended the Hulk and made him "less angry", inspired Spider-Man, etc.

I "get" the whole dark/twisted Superman archtype he was trying to fit in, but it came at the expense of other characters, most of which are highly significant characters in the Marvel Univere.


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That is why phuck Thor. Sentry is the mightiest one there is!


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sentry inserted in the 616 was crap.

the beauty of his mini was its self-contained continuity and the sacrifice he made to banish the void from the world. by bringing him into the fold, they first butchered his character and then a dozen others.

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That is why phuck Thor. Sentry is the mightiest one there is!


Sentry being more powerful than Thor doesn't bother me.

Him being a horrendous character whose existence takes a dump on canon does.


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First Sentry storyline was incredible tho.

Things didn't go to hell before Bendis got his hands on the character.
agreed

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Sentry being more powerful than Thor doesn't bother me.

Him being a horrendous character whose existence takes a dump on canon does.
I see wat your saying. But it could have been worst alot worst. I just feel like they killed him off after butchering the character it felt like a fck u to me. But I know he'll be back and hopefully a writer who gives a dam gets there hands on him this time.

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I see wat your saying. But it could have been worst alot worst. I just feel like they killed him off after butchering the character it felt like a fck u to me. But I know he'll be back and hopefully a writer who gives a dam gets there hands on him this time.


He's actually coming back in a future issue of Uncanny Avengers. He'll be a Horsemen of Apocalypse.


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I see wat your saying. But it could have been worst alot worst. I just feel like they killed him off after butchering the character it felt like a fck u to me. But I know he'll be back and hopefully a writer who gives a dam gets there hands on him this time.
More like they gave up on him...


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it doesnt matter how bad the character was when they killed'im. it will be worse when he comes back.

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it doesnt matter how bad the character was when they killed'im. it will be worse when he comes back.
Lol maybe they won't treat him like the same prestige?


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This, too.

The guy was loved by everyone, the most powerful hero, the best friend of Reed Richards, the only guy who befriended the Hulk and made him "less angry", inspired Spider-Man, etc.

I "get" the whole dark/twisted Superman archtype he was trying to fit in, but it came at the expense of other characters, most of which are highly significant characters in the Marvel Univere.


Agreed. Even Superman isn't that universally loved.


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