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Originally posted by vince_slice
Alicia was wrong. Dead wrong. Get it? Alicia is Surfer's lover. Of course she'd be overly worried about his safety.

Surfer deflected the comet, and Alicia asked "at what cost?"

And Surfer wakes up and replies "no cost", and proceeds to get up to inspect the robot as if nothing happened. He recovered near instantly, and didn't show signs injuries. The type you'd expect from being close to death.

Alicia's statements are just that....statements. And to quote you directly:


Isn't that right abhi?

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Originally posted by abhilegend
So Alicia and surfer are both wrong. Got it. As for your quoteing me, in my case the statements weren't backed up by the actual happening in the comic. In your case, it was. Whatever, agree to disagree. Its still a shit showing for surfer.

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Originally posted by vince_slice
All I'm saying is that you're wrong. Agree to agree then.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
So Alicia and surfer are both wrong. Got it. As for your quoteing me, in my case the statements weren't backed up by the actual happening in the comic. In your case, it was. Whatever, agree to disagree. Its still a shit showing for surfer.

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Originally posted by Nibedicus
How was this "backed up by the actual happening in the comic, tho? If anything, I'd say this would be more of them worrying and not knowing what exactly would happen. At the end, Surfer's statement of "no cost" corrected their previous assumptions.

Also, how is this a shit showing? That thing would have destroyed the entire northeast coast. He got up and doesn't look like he took much damage at all.

If that's a shit showing for Surfer, I'd hate to see a high showing...

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer and Alicia both thought he was going to die and he looked like that too. He recovered fast and that's it.

Surfer didn't took the blast of the ship, he just deflected it using his knowledge of trajectories. He was still KTFO with just deflecting a space-ship that shook the bedrock of manhattan island. Its a shit showing for a low herald nvm someone like surfer.

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What are you taking into account with your numbers?

An energy blast from some random villain blasts the contestants at 40 percent power. Superman/Surfer are unhurt while Thor has damage. He ramps it up continuosly and while Thor may be easier to hurt, he ultimately falls last to the assault.

There's a difference between how easy a being is to hurt, and how hard they are to put down. Which is why I'm asking you if your numbers are based on the ability to withstand superficial damage or being taken out.

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Originally posted by vince_slice
How about no-selling a cosmic bolt from Korvac that had the power to destroy a planet.

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Or being turned into his own magnetized planet core, and withstanding being crushed by enough meteors to form a planet around him.

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These are a couple of decent energy and blunt force durability feats.

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Originally posted by Nibedicus
"Thought would happen" and "happen" are really different things. Especially if said "thoughts" were immediately proven wrong a page or two later. But unless you're saying that Surfer can recover from near-fatal injuries within a span of a few seconds I'd have to say that little to no damage occurred here. Especially as Surfer really hasn't been portrayed as a "healing factor" kinda guy.

Lots of heralds have crappier showings that this, especially if you count character statements of what COULD happen (Thor saying he would die from falling off a skyscraper for example).

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Originally posted by abhilegend
I would take the stance that surfer can heal from near fatal injuries very quickly in that time.

Surfer said he was fighting for his life against Spider man. Statements and actual showings are vastly different. This can't be lumped together in absurd low showings like Thor going into a coma by a falling ship mast.

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Originally posted by Nibedicus
But you're basing the whole "near fatal" injury on character statements, tho. Statements that get DIRECTLY corrected a few panels later. I really don't see how you arrived to this stance.

Which is what I'm saying. Especially in this example where statements actually GET contradicted by actual showings w/in the very same comic within a few panels.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer was actually shown in that state however as seen in scans.

Thor and Surfer didn't fight for their life against that fall or spider man though. Surfer was actually KTFO and near death as shown by Alicia's statements. Feats+statements>Statements.

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Originally posted by Nibedicus
What part actually showed this "state"? To me, at most, it just looks like he was KOd for a few seconds (some people would call this "stunned").

If you could be specific about where you're getting this "near death" state within the comic outside of character statements, I'd love to see it.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
He watched everyone getting killed as evidenced in the last scan.
He didn't disagree because he trusts steel. Your memory is wrong as usual. Steel made his assumption after the ship was slowed down by doomslayer.

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
he didn't see anyone die.

He was yelling don't after the explosion as well indicating he saw dick

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Originally posted by abhilegend
He saw millions die.

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"oh god, he did it".

You suck at this bran. Let master carter handle lowballing.

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
if the moon blows up with a city on it. Then logically people will die

You're creating your own feat. Superman has real feats you can use instead

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Originally posted by abhilegend
He saw the moon blowing up and he only jumped in time after the explosion in that arc.