- Revan have defeated/killed several powerful and dangerous opponents in single combat. Some of these opponents are stronger then Maul.
- Revan played a pivotal role in the fall of a powerful Sith Empire; this accomplishment earned him the reputation of being a prodigy.
- Revan held his own against Vitiate (an avatar of the dark side) for a while.
You guys are so clueless about Revan that it is not even funny.
Revan is a practitioner of both Jedi and Sith powers. His lightning is expected to be very potent and effective, keeping in mind his feat against Nyriss.
Malak was strong enough to rule a Sith Empire. This accomplishment alone is a representation of his great power and skill among the Sith. When it came to single combat, Malak defeated the trio of Revan, Bastilla and Onasi aboard his flagship Leviathan. Malak have demonstrated the capability to tool multiple opponents simultaneously on other occasions too. He is definitely above the likes of Maul, Savage, Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan and a long list.
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Darth Nyriss: "He is powerful and extremely dangerous."
Is Nyriss lying too? She stated this before she even fought him. Yet she had a decent idea of what Revan was capable of.
In addition;
1. The Jedi's command of and connection to the Force was unlike anything Scourge had sensed in anyone else. Even though Revan was constantly drugged, it was impossible not to sense his strength. After years of studying him, Scourge had come to understand why the Jedi had such a fearsome reputation among the Sith. (SWTOR: Revan)
2. However, it was more than the Jedi's raw power that interested Scourge. Unlike all the instructors at the Academy, or even Nyriss herself, Revan had experienced both the light and dark sides of the Force. He had a unique perspective on its strengths and weaknesses, and Scourge was eager to learn from his experience. (SWTOR: Revan)
3. There was something unnerving about staring into the faceless mask; it made Revan seem more intimidating, more powerful. Or maybe Scourge just felt that way because he’d watched him destroy Nyriss. Whatever the reason, he was more confident than ever that he’d made the right choice. If anyone had the strength to stop the Emperor, it was this man. (SWTOR: Revan)
Do you think that Revan is all hype or does he actually have capabilities to complement his fearsome reputation?
Again, back to fancy shit. See my responses to members (SIDIOUS 66) and (Vensai) for a detailed counterargument in this aspect.
However, for your easiness:
As far as feats are concerned, Revan did not found himself in a situation during which he had to exert to perform a feat of epic proportions. It is not in his nature to leave a trail of destruction in his path without a solid reason. Revan took steps that were adequate for his objectives. A powerful Sith may think differently in his shoes; powerful Sith often tend to leave a trail of destruction in their path to intimate their opponents/surroundings, but Revan thinks differently. You should not confuse lack of feats with lack of capability; their is a clear distinction between these two.
Baseless assumption. Only Vitiate was able to dominate Revan with his powers; nobody else.
Do you think that Maul holds a candle to likes of Vitiate; the latter will squash the former like a bug.
No! Revan's accomplishments were open book for his peers; for the entire Galaxy perhaps. People/Aliens knew what he was capable of.
Have Anoon's apprentice witnessed his master in any battles or doing something serious? Because friendly sparring matches prove nothing.
Brilliant! Now this is from the perspective of whom? Yoda? Which great battles were Jedi fighting prior to battle of Naboo?
Questionable! With his blade, Revan successfully countered firepower of several Mandalorians from close distance; felled gigantic droids; cut a swath through large number of opponents; impaled very skilled duelists and vice versa.
It is a display of his immense raw power; much like Yoda's. Raw power makes difference in dueling too; Anakin rings any bells?
Malak doesn't sucks.
Repeating one of my previous arguments for you:
Malak was strong enough to rule a Sith Empire. This accomplishment alone is a representation of his great power and skill among the Sith. When it came to single combat, Malak defeated the trio of Revan, Bastilla and Onasi aboard his flagship Leviathan. Malak have demonstrated the capability to tool multiple opponents simultaneously on other occasions too.
You are clueless, unfortunately.
And you expect me to take this statement seriously?
Register this in your brain: Vitiate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maul
Show me a comparable accomplishment from Maul then. Empty statements are not enough.
Yes, he so skilled that he does not knows how to use even lightning.
Bro, Sidious shaped Maul into an assassin. He never intended Maul to supersede him and make advancements in the dark side. Even Bandon was more learned in the ways of the Force then Maul.
Vader was cybernetic beast too, remember? Yet, powerful adversaries managed to handle him.
As pointed out before, Revan packed immense raw power. He isn't going to be intimated by Maul's strength.
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Quit your double standards before you get ahead of yourself and your amusing arguments.
Do you think that Maul is all hype or does he actually have capabilities to completement his fearsome reputation?
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So you want me to judge Revan by the fact that he's never needed to do good stuff but clearly can? You masturbate harder to Revan than Dooku to Sidious.
Not really a baseless assumption. I have backed up my argument with clear force feats from canon sources, you have Scourge's and Surik's statement and then your opinion.
You like to belittle the apprentice's statement but not Scourge's and Surik's because it suits your argument?
It's not Yoda's perspective, christ. It's third pespective narration prior to his fight with Maul. The exact next line:
But on this day, he had met his match. The Sith Lord he battled with Obi-Wan was more than his equal in weapons training, and he had the advantage of being younger and stronger.
Maul controlling the fight against Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan at the same time alone puts Maul over Revan in swordmanship.
Not really questionable. Killing Grievous, fighting even with Ventress and Maul, fighting even with Pre-Suit Darth Vader is above Revan.
How is it raw power to redirect lightning?
Again: Revan hasn't bladework on Maul's level, like it or not.
Cool. Maul destroyed the Black Sun's best warriors, survived, what, months without food or water fighting assassin droids, build a criminal empire so that Sidious thought of him as ''a rival to be destroyed''.
Register this in your brain too: Vitiate>>Revan, Maul>Revan.
Already did. Dry your eyes and come back.
He never had an instance where he needed to use it, you know, like Revan has never needed to show his real powers!!11!
Apparantly you like to ignore canon evidence. He was an assassin, true, but fact remains that he was said to be one of the most dangerous and well trained Sith ever.
Oh, and:
a) Filoni's himself has said Maul is ''very well trained in all the ways of the Sith'' <- can't remember actual quote, he said it in an interview somewhere.
b) TCW Maul is even more powerful than his TPM-self:
Maul had grown more powerful since the last time he’d been in Sidious’s presence, before the Neimoidian invasion of Naboo had turned disastrous and Obi-Wan had bested him inside the Theed power core. His hermitage on Lotho Minor, his lessons on Unbara, his restoration by Mother Talzin, and his training of Savage had all strengthened him, made him a more worthy vessel for the dark side to fill with its power.
-Shadow Conspiracy
c) Maul is a master of Juyo which requires him to be a ''high-end master of multiple forms''.
Couple that with his feats of beating Qui-Gon, Bondara, Opress, fighting evenly with Obi-Wan, the quotes for being one of the most dangerous Sith in history, multiple ragdollings and other good force feats, it's pretty damn explicit.
Who have overpowered Vader by sheer physical strength?
Either way, my point stands: Maul is far stronger physically.
I see. Aside from that, continue your arguments--I'm extremely intrigued! And like I said before, don't center this entire thread on a battle between Maul and Revan--he has a team u know!
I'm referring to the Clone--you know, the ones with 2x dualsaber prowess than Sidious. All I'd see is Sidious vs. Maul and Opress all over again--though Starkiller wouldn't waste time imo
That was Galen Marek, the non-clone. Starkiller was stronger than the original imo. Besides which, Galen had to show mercy, as it was part of the Jedi way, and then he had to sacrifice himself. If no worry of dishonor were a matter in his fight against the Emperor, I think he would've killed him.
What double standards? I supported my assertion with evidence that Revan's reputation is well earned. You clearly have no counterargument.
What fearsome reputation? The Jedi didn't fear him.
You completely missed the point; did you see Revan struggle to perform a feat with the Force? You have read the novel, right?
Nowhere during the events (covered by the novel) did Revan bring forth his maximum power on the table; not even during his confrontation with Vitiate.
Feats alone do not prove relative strength of a character in comparison to others in the mythos.
Nihilus have incredible feats and he lost to duo of Meetra and Visas.
Similarly, Kao have decent feats and he lost to (young) Malgus.
Similarly, Din have decent feats and he lost to Bengal Morr.
Getting the memo?
Maul is simply better explored in the mythos in the context of Force powers then Revan. However, given the reputation of latter, he is likely to put Maul to shame in a showdown of Force powers. To give you an idea; Revan could collapse a building if he really wanted to with his TK abilities, as per Drew Karpyshyn. The author envisions Revan as a "very powerful Jedi."
Heck, Revan is touted as the Jedi Order's strongest champion:
Though the Mandalorian fought valiantly, in the end he was no match for the Jedi Order’s most powerful champion. (SWTOR: Revan)
No, I pointed out the difference between Anoon's and Revan's respective standing within the lore. Again, what has Anoon done to complement his apprentice's touts?
Obi-Wan was just a padawan during that encounter.
Revan cut a swath through Sith forces stationed aboard the Star Forge; is this not an extraordinary display of skill and power?
Obi-Wan killed Grievous with a blaster.
Their is difference between fighting and winning, genius.
Ahsoka have also fought Grievous and lived. Would you consider her on par with Obi-Wan now?
Here;
Revan's raw power in the Force bends Nyris's Sith lightning back at her, utterly destroying the Sith Lord. (Star Wars: The Essential Reader's Companion)
Subjective speculation.
And these feats prove that he can rule a Sith Empire? Their is hell of a difference between managing a criminal organization and a Sith Empire.
Sidious regarded Maul as a rival because the latter was a logical threat to RoT and the former couldn't take chances.
Register this in your brain: Vitiate >> Revan >>>> Maul.
Where?
- Destroying Black Sun's warriors is comparable to destroying Sith forces stationed aboard Star Forge?
- Lasting months without food or water is comparable to enduring 300 years of torture without food and water?
What else?
Absurd comparison. Prove it that Maul can unleash lightning.
I am not ignoring canon evidence; I am critically evaluating the information that you are offering about Maul which hype his skill and power in contrast to his actual performance.
If Maul is so well-versed in the dark arts, then why have he not been able to unleash some signature Sith powers that many powerful Sith have demonstrated?
And he still couldn't subdue (Jedi Master) Obi-Wan? In comparison, Dooku have humiliated Obi-Wan like how many times?
Revan is also skilled in all forms of lightsaber combat, as per Drew Karpysyhn.
- Maul had clear win over Qui-Gon. And Qui-Gon have defeated/subdued any powerful opponent before?
- Bondara fell due to the blast.
- Opress is not an expert swordsman.
- Obi-Wan isn't the top duelist of the Order.
- Hyperbole
- Feats based argument already addressed and put to rest.
That was a not real Maul.
Revan pack much greater raw power. He doesn't needs immense physical strength to be an overwhelming combatant.
Same is true for you.
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Nah. I recall Vader stating that the clone had the same skills but also the same errors.
When he fought Sidious, he felt as if everything he'd done before was childish in comparison <-can't remember correct quote, and Sidious was completely unharmed after the explosion.
Perhaps, but the Clone is better than the original in saber combat imo--particularly because of his duals. And even if he isn't as good as the Emperor, I still think he can equal the Maul bros
He defeated Mace Windu once, though he wasn't at his peak. Still, if Qui-Gon had the time to reach his full potential--and he didn't, because of Darth Maul's prowess--then I could imagine him possibly defeating Mace again. Still, he didn't live that long
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