Thanos is a rip off of Darkseid, and this is common knowledge, even though Thanos has been written way better than Darkseid for past 15 yrs.
Superman clones:
Hyperion's
Gladiator
Kid Gladiator
Sentry
Count Nefaria
except for Blue Marvel the rest are clones, only a fanboy would say other wise.
Nova Corp - Green Lantern Corp
Deathstroke- Taskmaster/Captain America
Miracle Man- Captain Marvel
Impriex- Galactus
Aquaman-Namor
Lord Havok-Dr Doom
It's prettty safe to say both companies have copy from each other, hell that's how japnese Anime/Manga works also DBZ-Fist of the Northstar etc.
It's just that Marvel has develope their characeters better than Dc, even Thor a god can be relate able etc, as where Dc characters are god like
May 12, 2013 - 4 posts - 4 authors
Thanos' creator Jim Starlin, said he actually based Thanos off of Metron, not Darkseid. That's why Thanos always has a floating mobius chair.
The rest aren't clones since they are entirely different than Superman. Saying they are clones shows a lack of understanding the definition of the word clone.
Superman does have a lot of "clones" in terms of power sets in Marvel, but a lot of those clones are radically different in terms of characterization and their origins.
Power Girl's initial artistic designs and costumes are blatant fan service, but as far as her actual character goes, she's an incredibly well written character, especially after Infinite Crisis where her real origin is finally confirmed. Between JSA and her ongoing, Karen was probably my favorite heroine in DC behind Wonder Woman (who has had some lows in terms of writing quality, but still enjoyable for the most part).
I think DC speaks to the "hope of a better tomorrow" that most people have, hence they're godlike beings who walk among humanity and larger than life heroes. Conversely, Marvel's always been more along the lines of characters first, powers second (not saying DC doesn't have great characters because they clearly do). Stan Lee (and Kirby and Ditko among others) really helped revolutionize and humanize characters. And really, the entire X-Men mythos is such a brilliant concept that is still relevant to this day. I'm not a huge X-Men/mutant fan outside of a handful of specific characters, but they really struck a gold mine with them. After all, it's only within the past few years that the Avengers franchise finally exploded and became the main draw to the Marvel Universe.
I can't really pick which company is more unique over the other at the end of the day.
DC Space Operas, and how they build their Magical landscape is much defined than Marvel.
Marvel could write a rich Space Opera rivaling DC's , if they bring on a collaboration where the expansion Eternals, Titans, Shi'ar, Inhumans, Kree, and Skrulls.. in on going titles, instead of bringing macro titles for the sake of a big cheese event.
However Marvel's Paranormal Phenomena, and how it interacts with psychic astral realm, connecting with the mental scape of each individual is much more rich. Hell this shit, hits cosmic order when your write out the Phoenix in properly. But then again I, have always been a sucker a Psionic stories.
That, and how they tackle human evolution, and the persecution of mutants, with everyday racism being applied to the comics. Where's DC metagene, and how it applies to everyday humans is somewhat spiffy. But at least they are making an effort now in DCnU, with the whole Team 7 and the activation of Majestic.
I am picking landscape/plot themes, over characters. Because the characters themselves can not stand on their own, if the story is not properly written.
But if I had to choose. Neither Company. I would chose Image, and Valiant have more imaginative characters to my liking.
Doom Patrol, Legion, Superman, Batman, Dr. Fate, The Endless, etc... All characters that Marvel has borrowed from, even if it's just the basic concept.
If that's the case, than the X-Men have had a faaaaaaaaaar larger influence on the medium and in pop culture than the Doom Patrol. And the Fantastic Four are infinitely more well known and developed than Challengers of the Unknown.
Let's face it, without one company, the other would have likely failed a long time ago.
Not only that, but I like Marvel's interaction with Space Gods much more than DC. From Galactus, Celestials, Proemial Gods, and the Watchers etc.. They all play a huge part in the Cosmic Consonance, and have a big impact with the lower lifeforms.
I like the designs much more than Say Imperiex Prime, Anti-Monitor, or anything that can be classified as a Space God.
I never said Doom Patrol had a larger influence, I said basic concept at the start of their appearances. However as more unique characters, I think Doom Patrol (Grant Morrison) takes the cake.
The point is that virtually every character ever has been inspired in some way by another, whether it's someone from mythology, pulp fiction stories, literature, or other comics.
Sure, DC has the virtue of having a lot of these concepts and characters published before Marvel, but Marvel's writing changed the game completely, showcasing heroes as just normal people with real life problems thrust into extraordinary events, which definitely prompted DC to change things up.
Today? Yes, back in the day when Batman was ripped off and other heros were invented? Not so much.
Accusing people/companies to rip shit off of a character while said character is a ripoff himself and then kinda blur it out with "even if it's just the basic concept" is pretty dumb actually. Both have copied certain characters over the time from each other. And probably all famous characters are based on very old stories, there are like 7 different stories to tell and everything else is just reinterpretation/retelling, origins are in the same boat.
Who ultimately came up first with everything is unclear and honestly I don't give a **** if the characters are written well.
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Last edited by Parmaniac on Jun 5th, 2013 at 07:55 PM
I agree what you saying, even though Marvel Superman clones different characterization they are still clone of Superman, has for to powers, weakens and almost similar origins.
Both companies borrowed from one and another and put their spin there view of character in their eyes, like you said if they didn't one of the companies would be no more.
Well, I think it depends on whether you're talking pre or post boot.
Pre-boot, you had in the Batfamily, two Batgirls, huntress, batwoman, and Oracle, Oracle especially in a leadership position.
Now you've got Batwoman and Babs as Batgirl.
You also had a fair number of major B-list heroines wiped out, like Jade and Donna (who was co-leader of the JLA at the time of the reboot!).
And, say what you will about Emma, she's had a leadership role for some time. Though moving off of her, there's Carol Danvers, there's Monica Rambeau, She-Hulk... oh, and a ton of well-written teen female characters like half the Avengers Academy, 2/3rds of the Runaways, and so on.
That's only a myth, her breasts didn't really inflate over the course of her original series.