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Lord Stark
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If not applicable, I fail to see why mentioning it is important.

It demonstrates her power in the force.

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Let's use common sense here. Unless Dooku magically knows such things ala Sidious' I don't see how it's an important quote.

Or he knows who the greatest swordsmen of the Order he belonged to. Why is this so hard to believe?

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Brood didn't even know what Starkiller switching styles meant.

She was a padawan. What do you expect? She's no Starkiller.

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It demonstrates her power in the force.

Power not useable, thus irrelevant.

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Or he knows who the greatest swordsmen of the Order he belonged to. Why is this so hard to believe?

Not everything everyone says in a book is true, and even if it is, being above Grievous is an accolade nearly all Jedi have (wasn't it Drallig in the quote?)

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She was a padawan. What do you expect? She's no Starkiller.

That's the point.

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[QUOTE=14347393]Originally posted by Intrepid37
[B]Power not useable, thus irrelevant.

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Not everything everyone says in a book is true, and even if it is, being above Grievous is an accolade nearly all Jedi have (wasn't it Drallig in the quote?)

Yes they changed the quote just to give Shaak Ti another accolade.

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That's the point.

And Yoda and Mace did nothing but sparr for centuries and decades and yet they are the most celebrated swordsman in the Order's history. Yoda being greater than any of the wartime masters of the Old Republic.

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Yes they changed the quote just to give Shaak Ti another accolade.

That's... not sure what to say about that.

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And Yoda and Mace did nothing but sparr for centuries and decades and yet they are the most celebrated swordsman in the Order's history. Yoda being greater than any of the wartime masters of the Old Republic.

You're just furthering my point. If you use your blade a lot, logically you'd become better at using it. If you don't use it a lot, guess what, you become but a shadow of your former self (Ben Kenobi?)

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That's... not sure what to say about that.

Yeah, not sure how I felt about taking it away from Cin.

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You're just furthering my point. If you use your blade a lot, logically you'd become better at using it. If you don't use it a lot, guess what, you become but a shadow of your former self (Ben Kenobi?) [/B]

Ben Kenobi is a red herring. Completely unrelated. Shaak Ti spent her 20 years taming Rancor, training the Felucians in war, and sparring with Marris Brood. Her blade work is clearly not rusty giving that she whooped Starkiller.

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Ben Kenobi is a red herring. Completely unrelated. Shaak Ti spent her 20 years taming Rancor, training the Felucians in war, and sparring with Marris Brood. Her blade work is clearly not rusty giving that she whooped Starkiller.

It's not a red herring and certainly not unrelated. Ben fought A'Sharad Hett and studied the force under Qui-Gon Jinn while watching over Luke. That's essentially the same thing Shaak Ti did.

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It's not a red herring and certainly not unrelated. Ben fought A'Sharad Hett and studied the force under Qui-Gon Jinn while watching over Luke. That's essentially the same thing Shaak Ti did.

I wouldn't agree with this. Those had completely different situations. Shaak Ti didn't try hiding from the Empire as much and Vader/Starkiller managed to track her down.

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Not sure what hiding has to do with anything. Ti's bladework might not have gotten worse, but there's no proof it got better.

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Not sure what hiding has to do with anything. Ti's bladework might not have gotten worse, but there's no proof it got better.

Fair enough. Though the fact that Ti trained Maris and probably some other force sensitives meant or at least strongly implied that she probably was more active and trained more often.

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That's what I pointed out before: Brood's training doesn't seem so complex.

Maris noticed the shift in his fighting style but, having only been trained in Jedi methods, failed to understand what it meant.

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That's what I pointed out before: Brood's training doesn't seem so complex.

Maris noticed the shift in his fighting style but, having only been trained in Jedi methods, failed to understand what it meant.

I didn't notice that. Good point.

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That's what I pointed out before: Brood's training doesn't seem so complex.

Maris noticed the shift in his fighting style but, having only been trained in Jedi methods, failed to understand what it meant.

Maris noticed the shift in his fighting style but, having only been trained in Jedi methods, failed to understand what it meant.

She was not used to fighting a Sith. That's all that quote proves.

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Galen.

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Mismatch. RotJ Vader > TFU II Vader > Galen.

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Yes, unless you arbitrary pick which source is valid, and which isn't, and you ignore context.

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And when you take every single cutscene from every version of the game even when it contradicts itself just to support your point that's just fine. Lmao.

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