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Khan Noonien Singh vs. Yoda
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Whereas with Khan it was just one success after another..oh wait.

Just to be clear, if neither of these people were given any weapons and were then told to fight, what do you feel happens? Just trying to see if you basically only think Khan has a shot due to having a big fancy gun.
You are being completely biased. Khan has skills and accuracy with the weapons. They don't just hit the targets on their own. It's like me saying how badass are the Jedi without their powers or lightsabers.

Khan used the weaponry and they are weapons he designed. Quit ignoring his weaponry just because you're biased.


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No, they just can resist weak Jedi mind tricks. Do you think they can resist Xavier ? FFS.


Give me an example of Yoda using tp in battle. Do you even watch Star Wars, Abe ?


I don't need to... that's like me saying... Prove Khan can hit a jedi... being that he's never fired on one... that's going to be hard to prove. So if you'd like to take that route... it will be even worse for you. If you do, then prove he could even hit a Jedi with his gun

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I don't need to... that's like me saying... Prove Khan can hit a jedi... being that he's never fired on one... that's going to be hard to prove. So if you'd like to take that route... it will be even worse for you. If you do, then prove he could even hit a Jedi with his gun
Khan hits his opponents. Yoda has been tagged. Yoda has needed aid against droids because he was unaware of them.

Show me one example of Yoda using tp in a battle to defeat his opponent.

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Khan hits his opponents. Yoda has been tagged. Yoda has needed aid against droids because he was unaware of them.

Show me one example of Yoda using tp in a battle to defeat his opponent.

laughing out loud


So he's never hit a Jedi with his gun then? Gotcha... So he'll be unable to do so here. I accept your concession

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So he's never hit a Jedi with his gun then? Gotcha... So he'll be unable to do so here. I accept your concession
He hits his opponents. Yoda has never hit an augment either, dummy.

Palaptine hit him despite warning him and taking multiple seconds to attack.

Khan kills him. laughing out loud


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I accept your concession on ALL fronts.. Khan has no TP resistance and he's never shot a Jedi before... Match over!!

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I accept your concession on ALL fronts.. Khan has no TP resistance and he's never shot a Jedi before... Match over!!
Yoda has never hit an augment or used tp against one.


Khan hits his opponents and Palpatine nailed Yoda quite easily. Khan wins, Abe.


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87 votes for Yoda

6 votes khan.

Election says Yoda so Yoda wins.

Khan has no TK resistance. Now while he wouldn't like just die to it instantly he would go down. 0:26-0:30

Yoda has in fact shown the ability to stop someone in ventress from moving in TCW. https://youtu.be/mHacOCI_zYI

Yoda took on an entire squad including three tanks and destroyed them all. https://youtu.be/5-fkESkmvu0

He survived the multiple blaster fire from Droidekas. https://youtu.be/5-fkESkmvu0 3:04-3:14

Yoda evaded a blaster bolt from one of those tanks at a very close range. We have seen how fast these bolts fly. https://youtu.be/5-fkESkmvu0 1:02-1:06

Yoda has precog so he will be able to sense when Khan is about to shoot etc. also force awareness.

Yoda is a Jedi. Not just any Jedi, the grandmaster. The most powerful one until Luke gets feats. This is say yes by Lucas and his team on different occasions. Khan has never faced an adversary like Yoda while Yoda has faced much worse in Sidious and Dooku and he lived through both, being superior to Dooku and the even to Sidious.

With that this should be the end of this thread.


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87 votes for Yoda

6 votes khan.

Election says Yoda so Yoda wins.

Khan has no TK resistance. Now while he wouldn't like just die to it instantly he would go down. 0:26-0:30

Yoda has in fact shown the ability to stop someone in ventress from moving in TCW. https://youtu.be/mHacOCI_zYI

Yoda took on an entire squad including three tanks and destroyed them all. https://youtu.be/5-fkESkmvu0

He survived the multiple blaster fire from Droidekas. https://youtu.be/5-fkESkmvu0 3:04-3:14

Yoda evaded a blaster bolt from one of those tanks at a very close range. We have seen how fast these bolts fly. https://youtu.be/5-fkESkmvu0 1:02-1:06

Yoda has precog so he will be able to sense when Khan is about to shoot etc. also force awareness.

Yoda is a Jedi. Not just any Jedi, the grandmaster. The most powerful one until Luke gets feats. This is say yes by Lucas and his team on different occasions. Khan has never faced an adversary like Yoda while Yoda has faced much worse in Sidious and Dooku and he lived through both, being superior to Dooku and the even to Sidious.

With that this should be the end of this thread.
Popular opinion doesn't impact the facts at all. People used to think that he world was flat was it ?

Yoda caught an opponent unaware with his same exact skillset. That situation isn't relevant here.

Yoda needed aid prior to the fight. He knew he needed the clones help. That wasn't an army and he needed help against slow droids. They a,so had him in their scope for three seconds. laughing out loud

Palpatine warned him and with two seconds he couldn't see that coming. He also wasn't aware of the droids. laughing out loud

Khan kills the most powerful Jedi who are a myth in current times they were that weak, boy. laughing out loud


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Oh my. Still posting, Quanchimoron?




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Against a squadron of droids.


Three tanks, 36 regular Battle Droids, 18 Super-Battledroids. I count 54 enemies, adding the tank crews. Yoda totally wrecks them in under two minutes.

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He needed help.


Where is that ever stated? In fact, the Clones mention explicitly that he doesn't seem to need help at all (1:37 - 1:39). It is the Clones that are speculating that Yoda needs assistance, once the Droidekas are coming, but just because he can not see them coming (2:47 - 2:50).

Before the Clone fires though, Yoda is easily deflecting the fire from the ten Droidakas in front of him, and even has time to observe the flight of the rocket while doing so. He looks far from actually "needing help" there. (3:06 - 3:16)

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Yoda didn't solo any armies, sport. He was in their scope for 3 seconds. The droids are quite inept. Lucky for him he had clones who later bailed him out as they said Yoda didn't see it coming despite his precognition. Khan had no allies against Klingons, multiple ships, etc. khan did so easily on his own according to Kirk. Happy Dance


He solos the entire squad and nothing suggests he wouldn't have been able to solo the Droidekas as well. And the onscreen evidence contradicts the Clones rather nicely, as Yoda is already facing the Droidekas before the droids are ready to fire at him. So he clearly was expecting them. Too bad.

Yoda also kills more foes than Khan, does it in less time and without being heavily armed. wink

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Khan packs more firepower than the droids of that scene and greater skill. He takes down ships and leaves bodies in stumps. The droids are humiliated by Jar Jar stumbling around.


While I won't argue that Khan is above droids in terms of skill, he is clearly not above that entire squadron when it comes to firepower. Furthermore you've still not answered the question how Khan would hit a target that can deflect or avoid enemy fire from 8 to 20 enemies at once and with apparent ease.

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Sidious still forewarned an attack and took multiple seconds to execute it. Yoda was unable to stop it. His abilities don't erase the real time and the feat itself. We go by facts not hyperbole. Stick to the facts, German troll.


I do stick to the facts, where you attempt to argue against a character based on low showings that we don't have a full explanation for, while ignoring all other feats alltogether. It is very well possible, that Sidious used the Dark Side to hinder Yoda's reaction time (as it's explicitly stated in "Attack of the Clones" that the Dark Side does impair the Jedi's abilities). It's also possible that Yoda wasn't expecting an attack as strong as was fired at him. And all of that still doesn't matter, seeing that Khan is neither a force user nor capable of using force lightning. While Yoda shows a 100 percent efficiency against energy weapons fired at him. So you still lose, you sorry excuse for a competent debater.

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Yoda was hit by Palpatine and needed aid by clones because as they said he wouldn't see it coming. Shitty battle awareness. If you doubt it look at Sidious warning him and Yoda failing to stop a two second plus attack. laughing out loud


Character opinion that are contradicted by onscreen evidence don't count as arguments. Neither do single occurances under unknown circumstances overwrite all other feats for a character. So back to the hard facts:

Yoda can deflect or avoid enemy fire coming from at least eight different directions simultaneously. He is never hit by an energy beam weapon, regardless from where the shot was fired at him (even behind his back), who fired or what firepower the weapon sported. Thus the only logical conclusion is, that Khan's weapons are useless against Yoda, while Yoda's offensive use of the force and his skill with a lightsaber are two things that Khan has absolutely no way of defending himself against.

Either argue this, or shut up.

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I cite facts you don't. Khan wins. Just give in like you always do you submissive male.


You troll by attempting to downtalk characters in order to keep this discussion going ad nauseam. You repeat yourself like a broken record without bringing anything substantial to the discussion. And now accept defeat or suffer the consequences.


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What I wanna know is who are the six people who voted for Khan?
7 now. The tide is turning.


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Oh my. Still posting, Quanchimoron?






Three tanks, 36 regular Battle Droids, 18 Super-Battledroids. I count 54 enemies, adding the tank crews. Yoda totally wrecks them in under two minutes.



Where is that ever stated? In fact, the Clones mention explicitly that he doesn't seem to need help at all (1:37 - 1:39). It is the Clones that are speculating that Yoda needs assistance, once the Droidekas are coming, but just because he can not see them coming (2:47 - 2:50).

Before the Clone fires though, Yoda is easily deflecting the fire from the ten Droidakas in front of him, and even has time to observe the flight of the rocket while doing so. He looks far from actually "needing help" there. (3:06 - 3:16)



He solos the entire squad and nothing suggests he wouldn't have been able to solo the Droidekas as well. And the onscreen evidence contradicts the Clones rather nicely, as Yoda is already facing the Droidekas before the droids are ready to fire at him. So he clearly was expecting them. Too bad.

Yoda also kills more foes than Khan, does it in less time and without being heavily armed. wink



While I won't argue that Khan is above droids in terms of skill, he is clearly not above that entire squadron when it comes to firepower. Furthermore you've still not answered the question how Khan would hit a target that can deflect or avoid enemy fire from 8 to 20 enemies at once and with apparent ease.



I do stick to the facts, where you attempt to argue against a character based on low showings that we don't have a full explanation for, while ignoring all other feats alltogether. It is very well possible, that Sidious used the Dark Side to hinder Yoda's reaction time (as it's explicitly stated in "Attack of the Clones" that the Dark Side does impair the Jedi's abilities). It's also possible that Yoda wasn't expecting an attack as strong as was fired at him. And all of that still doesn't matter, seeing that Khan is neither a force user nor capable of using force lightning. While Yoda shows a 100 percent efficiency against energy weapons fired at him. So you still lose, you sorry excuse for a competent debater.



Character opinion that are contradicted by onscreen evidence don't count as arguments. Neither do single occurances under unknown circumstances overwrite all other feats for a character. So back to the hard facts:

Yoda can deflect or avoid enemy fire coming from at least eight different directions simultaneously. He is never hit by an energy beam weapon, regardless from where the shot was fired at him (even behind his back), who fired or what firepower the weapon sported. Thus the only logical conclusion is, that Khan's weapons are useless against Yoda, while Yoda's offensive use of the force and his skill with a lightsaber are two things that Khan has absolutely no way of defending himself against.

Either argue this, or shut up.



You troll by attempting to downtalk characters in order to keep this discussion going ad nauseam. You repeat yourself like a broken record without bringing anything substantial to the discussion. And now accept defeat or suffer the consequences.
Yoda runs under a tank, etc. the droids also had him dead to rights for three seconds. I provided evidence. Droids are weak and Jar Jar successfully took down multiple droids by tripping and stumbling around.
You also seem to be ignoring Kenobi who is in the same shot killing the other clones as well. Bringing a formidable Jedi to the temple to help destroy clones isn't to be ignored.

24-26 Yoda says in the link, "Know the time to help me you will."Yoda admits he will need aid against the droids.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5-fkESkmvu0

I already posted the link and this Yoda quote to you, dummy. Do you even read the posts or clink on the links ? This is embarrassing.

No, he doesn't since the clones interact because they say Yoda won't see the new threats coming. Yoda already said himself they'd know when to act and aid him. Yoda and the clones agree he needed help so why don't his fanboys ? Sad, honestly.

Khan needed no aid, fought superior opponents, and ships. Yoda admitted he needed the clones help. The clones had the vantage point and weren't in the line of fire as well. Yoda was also armed with his force powers and lightsaber. Not my fault Khan has superior weaponry he himself designed.

Yoda didn't deflect or dodge anything nearly as powerful as Khan nor with the skill of Khan. The clones were also killed by Kenobi. He had a peer with him. Yoda didn't go to the Jedi temple alone. Yoda was tagged by one opponent in Palpatine multiple times.

Absence of proof isn't a legitimate point. Yoda was free to defend himself and only an idiot wouldn't see an attack coming. You don't need precognition to be aware Palpatine is going to attack. He ****ing told him. That's how sickening of a fanboy you are.

Sidious abilities aren't important you deluded fanboy. The reaction time and the pre warned attack are. Two seconds and a warned attack Yoda didn't have the skills to block or evade. Khan guns his opponents down in far less time. Advantage:Khan. Emphasis:Mine.


All facts matter not just the ones you want to ignore the context for. Yoda himself says he will need help I tell you and then you play stupid asking when. In the quote and the clip I already provided with a time stamp, you brain dead fanboy.


The facts support me. They always have. Quit ignoring the facts you don't like without giving bullshit reasons as to what might have happened.


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Popular opinion doesn't impact the facts at all. People used to think that he world was flat was it ?

Yoda caught an opponent unaware with his same exact skillset. That situation isn't relevant here.

Yoda needed aid prior to the fight. He knew he needed the clones help. That wasn't an army and he needed help against slow droids. They a,so had him in their scope for three seconds. laughing out loud

Palpatine warned him and with two seconds he couldn't see that coming. He also wasn't aware of the droids. laughing out loud

Khan kills the most powerful Jedi who are a myth in current times they were that weak, boy. laughing out loud


It sure does hep determine our president and elected officials. Electoral college tends to follow that at least a in presidential campaigns.

Why would that matter? At least ventress also has the force and would have a better shot in defending it. Khan doesn't so whether he's paying attention or not doesn't matter unless you can prove other wise.

He took on that squad all by himself and destroyed the super Droids with the force by himself to. Then he held his own for a brief period of time against the Droidekas.

So one time affects every last battle?

Specualtion with no evidence to back up. While Yoda has the force and much more to the table. Khan only has a gun. He can't win.


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7 now. The tide is turning.


You honestly think that just because khan got one more vote the tide is turning?

It's 87 to 7. Yoda is crushing in the polls.


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It sure does hep determine our president and elected officials. Electoral college tends to follow that at least a in presidential campaigns.

Why would that matter? At least ventress also has the force and would have a better shot in defending it. Khan doesn't so whether he's paying attention or not doesn't matter unless you can prove other wise.

He took on that squad all by himself and destroyed the super Droids with the force by himself to. Then he held his own for a brief period of time against the Droidekas.

So one time affects every last battle?

Specualtion with no evidence to back up. While Yoda has the force and much more to the table. Khan only has a gun. He can't win.
This isn't an election which is basically a popularoty contest this is a debate.

No, she wouldn't as she didn't have a gun or the means to do anything long range at the speed of a blaster bolt. Khan guns him down.

No, he admitted that You also seem to be ignoring Kenobi who is in the same shot killing the other clones as well. Bringing a formidable Jedi to the temple to help destroy clones isn't to be ignored.

24-26 Know the time to help me you will.Yoda admits he will need aid against the droids.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5-fkESkmvu0

I didn't say one time affects every battle but the evidence shows what has hit him before. Khan only needs his weapons to kill Yoda. The force failed the entire Jedi order. laughing out loud


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You honestly think that just because khan got one more vote the tide is turning?

It's 87 to 7. Yoda is crushing in the polls.
People are changing their minds and seeing the light. The evidence is ringing true.


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People are changing their minds and seeing the light. The evidence is ringing true.


1 person. 1 person voted and you get very excited. Get back to me when khan gets to Yoda's level in the polls.


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1 person. 1 person voted and you get very excited. Get back to me when khan gets to Yoda's level in the polls.
The evidence is proving me correct. You know this to be true. laughing


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The evidence is proving me correct. You know this to be true. laughing


87-7 Quan.mapparemtly evidence is still with Yoda. Yoda has the force, Yoda has a saber. Khan has a gun that Yoda can stop him from shooting as seen by how he stopped by ventress. Game over.


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87-7 Quan.mapparemtly evidence is still with Yoda. Yoda has the force, Yoda has a saber. Khan has a gun that Yoda can stop him from shooting as seen by how he stopped by ventress. Game over.
Ventress wasn't aware of him and when has Yoda stopped someone from firing with the force before they could shoot. Cite evidence not your fanboyism.


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