This isn't the first match I planned on putting Dante in, but a friend of mine brought it up, so I'm posting it for his sake. We debated on it some, but we didn't cover very much. He seems to see it as a balanced match (however, favoring Jack), and upon further examination, I've come slightly closer to this conclusion. I still have my doubts, so I thought I'd get some other opinions on this.
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I also think Jack wins. DevilTrigger would make it more even but Jack has done some seriously ridiculous stuff that for me just puts him over Dantes 'best' nevermind his Average. Not a stomp but Jack is pulling a good majority.
Dante has Jack beat in power, but Jack has a beyond exponential skill advantage on Dante. The only problem I'm having now is determining the effectiveness of Jack's sword. It's gimmick: it can't kill anyone pure of heart. Dante may have started his career as a cocky little bastard, but that buy no means correlates to him being bad.
Dante's IS of good moral standing, and the argument can be made that he only gets better about that with each installment of the timeline. As far as I can tell, he becomes progressively more humble and prone to self-sacrifice. As much as I'd like to forget about DMC2, I can't for the sake of the discussion. At times, he would "decide" whether or not to help by tossing a coin. It is later revealed that this was a trick coin, and he was helping of his own accord.
That's what was demonstrated, yes. Aku tried to kill Jack with it and yielded no results. However, this is not exactly the case. It is stated that Odin, Ra, and Vishnu forged the blade from the righteous energy within Jack's father. As seen, using righteous energy against the righteous proves of little to no effect. Say if Jack were to fight Link, Jack would theoretically have no way of harming him because of this. In this case, I'm just having a hard time figuring out how this pertains to Dante, and to what degree.
All I remember is that Jack's high supersonic and runs around with hundreds of tons on his back. But **** feats 'cause **** it, assuming they're physically equals.
I wouldn't say the sword can't harm Dante, nor that it'll do almighty damage to him. all of Dante's tricks and things are going to give him that edge.
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But jack uses his sword against that one robot with the dog, those holy water guardians, and mindcontrol teenagers. None of them were evil and a few others he fought seemed pretty pure. As long as jack thinks he's doing the right thing, he should have no problem with using his sword.
They may have not been evil, but one is not required to be evil to take damage from the sword. This thread would otherwise be void on the grounds of spite, which is what is currently being called into question. As for the supposedly "pure" ones, did Jack kill them? If so, we're looking at dramatic inconsistency. If not, then the story holds merit. Also, I see nothing evident to Jack's mindset dictating how the sword behaves. I've already explained that it has a definite origin that it abides by.
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The one that comes to mind is that Valhalla Viking and the assassin robot who gave up killing.
Jack is more than capable at defending himself without a sword. He's a master at shaolin martial arts and almost every form of eastern weaponry. He also has military training and is a pretty decent strategist.
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I never specified that I was talking about combat.
As far as the match goes, I dunno. Probably Dante, if they get all their equipment. Jack, if they get prep.
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Jack seems overall better as a character and fighter. I also don't think the sword will be so nerfed that it wouldn't be capable of putting a serious hurting on Dante.
Characters are considered in full, so Dante is fully equipped. Though I don't see firearms doing shit for him since Jack defeated an entire robot army with a supposed individual accuracy rating of 100%. As far as prep goes, I saw it as more of a spontaneous encounter. I'm not sure Jack actually needs any prep.
For Jack to pull off a win, this match would have to be speed/strength equalized while stripping Dante of his *powers, amps and all weapons but Rebellion. That would basically be a "Whose more skilled", as all Jack has apart from this is his magic sword and calling on ancestors for quick boosts.
*Teleporting, telekinesis, shields, regeneration, flight, air/fire/electric/ice manipulation, strength/speed/regen/durability amplifiers, shockwave slashes, clones, bringing time to a crawl or stopping it altogether.
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Lol, Dante with all of his equipment would win fairly easily.
Jack could use prep to do stuff like preparing an ambush, getting better equipment, making himself an invisible white ninja ()
Clones? You mean clone.
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To subtract from Dante is essentially spite/CIS. I also get the feeling that Jack's ancestors somehow qualifies as interference, but you'd have to further educate me on that one.
Jack being allowed prep time depends on whether or not it's typical of his character.
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In Jack and the Ultra Robots, jacks prays to his ancestors to give him strength and defeat said robots. His sword briefly begins glowing and can cut things Jack couldn't cut before much more easily.
In Jack vs. Aku, Jack creates dozens of replicas of his sword and hides them throughout the battlefield, for no other reason than to mess with Aku and his minions, who were trying to steal it during the fight.
During the pilot episodes, Jack fights an army of robots. He digs pitfalls and fills them with spears, set numerous traps, sets up exploding oil barrels he can ignite with arrows, and dons a full suit of samurai armor and rides a mount against them.
In Jack learns to jump good, he again digs pitfalls, prepares log traps, snares, and sets several ambushes against an opposing tribe of gorillas.
If given the opportunity, Jack can and will prepare, and can fight pretty dirty. He's tricky like that. Though I don't know how much good those kind of traps will fair against Dante. Distractions at best, could possibly give Jack an opportunity for an attack.
Prep makes more sense to me given how the scenario starts, which I was really indecisive on. Decide for yourself, I guess.
As for Jack's ancestors, I'm still questioning that. This fight is between the two of them, so I'm wondering if his ancestors count as other players, which otherwise is inapplicable.
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