No I won't. You see, you're attempting to invalidate a feat by pointing out an inconsistency. The fact is that you can only do so by proving it to be inconsistent. By providing a plausible explanation I destroy your chances of doing that. I don't have to prove anything. I may be only speculating, but unless you can prove me wrong, so are you.
I'm not making up anything. Bane is canonically that fast. You cannot deny that this is so, he has evidence on his side that supports it. Thus, Zannah keeping up with him proves that she is also extremely fast. Unless theres an actual reason why she can't be that fast this is the case, no matter how much you whine about it.
You're assuming that RoT is when he was at his peak. He could have gotten faster than he was in either incarnation before slowing down. The text doesn't say that he's slower than he was during RoT, merely that he's gotten slower than he was at some point.
But if you want to go that route, I'd be happy to give RoT Bane his DoE speed on top of his other advantages.
You're ignoring the fact that he did use his speed against Zannah, it just wasn't enough to overpower her.
I wasn't aware that DoE Bane was weaker than his less experienced, matured counterpart.
Why not? The fact that he was so skilled at that point, his incredible learning rate and a huge period of training should put him there logically.
So what??? She's clearly reasonably skilled given her fight against Bane. Her fighting style doesn't rely on skill anyway.
I wouldn't be so sure. He's never been named as such, no, but he was a "legendary lightsaber instructor" and has been touted ad nauseam for his skill. His only peers among the Jedi are either masters of all forms or most. I wouldn't rule it out.
When I pointed out that Kas'im has enough mastery to create hundreds of thousands of sequences based off of the various forms. He's basically not just having mastered them, but refined and redesigned them. Its the difference between knowing the words to the music, and writing your own symphonies.
But Maul is one of the most dangerous apprentices in history so I guess he's on par.
Probably? He's demonstrated a greater comprehensive knowledge, but Dooku is without a doubt the best Makashi swordsman in the mythos so his mastery of that form transcends whatever Kas'im has in regards to his respective grasp of the forms. Besides which is his extensive list of accolades as a swordsman.
Your point teeters. I'm not making a claim one way or another, merely introducing facts that seemingly contradict the idea that or, at the very least, gives us pause to claim Dooku is a master of absolutely only one form. It was more for discussion.
Okay. But I still doubt it. He explicitly disrespects Ataru in Revenge of the Sith, and he's not physically overwhelming so Djem So is out of the question. Not Juyo either, for the obvious reason that he'd be a high-end master of multiple forms to master it.
That leaves us with Form I (forgot name), Makashi, Soresu and Niman. Makashi is a yes, but I doubt he'd be a master of Soresu (I have no canon explanation for this, just my gut), and I'm not sure what Niman really is.
He's probably a master of Form I and Form II, but such does not translate into ''multiple forms'' much less to a high degree, in my opinion.
Cognus could follow their movements, and Cognus has done absolutely nothing at this point indicating she's as fast as Maul who could not even see Sidious.
Again, if he did show such an extreme amount of speed in a duel, then sure. But he hasn't. None of his other speed feats are even remotely close to that. Isn't that a little odd?
Oh please. It specifically says ''once been'', and the excerpt was from the first few pages.
Prove he used the speed to intercept every drop of rain for ten minutes against Zannah.
It'd be obvious.
Nah. Remember how Sidious, holding back, dominated Maul and Savage (of who Maul is extremely skilled) and fought evenly with Yoda (perhaps the most skilled Jedi ever at that point), Yoda also defeated Dooku twice.
Instead he simply called upon the Force, letting it flow through him and guide his hand. He gave himself over to the dark side completely, without reservation.
Maul's decade of training and suffering still seems to be superior.
This indicates Bane's adeptness in the use of the Force. With his superior command of the Force, Bane was able to duel Kas'im. Otherwise, Kas'im would have cut him down on the basis of his superior martial abilities.
And you think that Kas'im's training and practice sessions lasted some months? Kas'im had spent decade(s) honing his skills actually.
Stop wanking Maul so much. Sith training is not a matter of joke and Maul isn't the greatest Sith warrior.
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Apparently this has become the Kas'im vs Maul thread.
Anyway, back to Bane vs. Anakin.
Force: Close. I recall that Bane once collapsed a temple and Anakin once collapsed a roof with his force scream. They are both incredibly powerful force users.
Sabers: Possibly Anakin. They both specialize in Form V. Dooku considered Anakin the finest Djem So user he had ever seen in their final confrontation. His victories over the likes of Dooku, Ventress, etc. establish him as one of the greatest swordsmen of his era. While Bane is no slouch himself, he preferred to manipulate from the shadows rather than fight the jedi directly. During DoE, his lightsaber victory against Zannah is slightly hampered by the fact that he was her master and had never shown some of his best moves against her, catching her unawares (though she paid him back with her sorcery).
All-out: Likely Anakin. Bane might try his mind transfer technique, but the one time he used it Zannah mentally defeated him. Anakin has ridiculous willpower that allowed him to survive the damage he suffered on Mustafar until Sidious arrived (which is more than Zannah ever suffered). I doubt Bane would be able to overcome Anakin with his technique.
Bane is a physical brute and this complements his Form V style. He might be capable of producing more powerful strikes then even Anakin. He managed to push Kas'im back with his blows.
Then he went on the attack. In the past he had always been afraid to surrender his will to the raw emotions that fueled the dark side. Now he had no such limitations; for the first time he was calling on his full potential.
He drove Kas'im back with furious slashes, forcing his old mentor into a backpedaling retreat across the floor of the chamber. Kas'im flipped back and out through the door into the hall beyond, but Bane was relentless in his pursuit, leaping forward and coming within a centimeter of landing a crippling blow to the Twilek's leg.
His strike was turned aside at the last second, but he quickly followed it up with another series of powerful thrusts and stabs. The Blademaster continued to give ground, pushed inexorably back by the raging storm of Bane's onslaught. Each time he tried to change tactics or switch forms, Bane anticipated, reacted, and seized the advantage.
The outcome was inevitable. Bane was simply too strong in the Force. Only some unexpected maneuver could save Kas’im, but they had fought too many times in the past for him to surprise Bane now. Over the course of his training Bane had seen every possible sequence, series, move, and trick with the double-bladed lightsaber, and he knew how to counter and
nullify them all.
The Blademaster became desperate. Leaping, spinning, ducking, rolling: he was wild and reckless in his retreat, seeking now only to escape with his life. But he didn’t know the Temple like Bane did. Bane kept the routes to the outside cut off, slowly herding his opponent into a dead-end hallway.
Recognizing what was happening, Kas'im blew open the heavy door of aside room with the Force and dived inside. Bane knew there was no other exit, and he paused at the threshold of the room to savor his victory. The Twi'lek stood in the center of the empty chamber, panting heavily, stooped ever so slightly, his head bowed. He looked up when Bane stepped through the doorway. But when his gaze met Bane's, there was no hint of defeat in his eyes. (Star Wars: Darth Bane: Path of Destruction)
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