Lol, thats from Harths collection of darkside artifacts. That it reminds her of Force crystals should have been a clue for you:
'She tested the door and was surprised when it opened easily. Obviously, Set was confident in his privacy-but then, he no doubt had never suspected that a Sith might come to visit. Stepping into the room, she found it small and plain next to the rest of the mansion. There were no works of art, and the only furnishing was a display case set against the back wall a few meters away. By the light of her glow lamp, she could see an array of jewelry carefully arranged in the display case: rings, necklaces, amulets, and even crowns, all imbued with the power of the dark side.'
Its not a nexus and besides that they don't even fight there, but in Harths lounge.
You're a funny man. Even without a nexus Banes lightning is powerful enough to incinerate beings and disintegrate stone. Even weakened by Cognus and stunned it can disintegrate a tangle net and he can block a half dozen concussion grenades. Fast enough to block every rain drop in a howling storm for 20 minutes. Powerful enough to dominate and crush Sith Lords like paper.
Do you really believe he's so much less powerful in DoE that he went from easily being above Maul (in RoT) to not having shit on him?
A 'fraction', yes. Not exactly a huge amount is it? Even if he is, he's still faster than Maul.
But he's not slower than he was in RoT.
Eh, non-canon. Obi-Wan reaches Dooku in the movie, who takes him out while parrying him, not by being faster than him.
Interesting. So Obi-Wan was quicker than Qui-Gon even as of TMP? That certainly doesn't look good for Qui-Gon.
I see we've been talking about separate events. A simple misunderstanding. This also occurs in the quote I supplied. Either way, who cares? It was Maul still as a mere apprentice. When did this training session occur? How fast was Maul at that point? Even if he was fast, the quote indicates that he was exhausted. He was sweaty enough to drop his lightsaber. Clearly he was not in peak condition.
It wasn't the whole planet, it simply the cells of the Stone Prison. Bane simply says that the dark side was strong there because of the suffering that had taken place in the prison. Which is why its ridiculous to think its a nexus. If a nexus popped up everywhere a few people died the universe would be drowning in nexuses.
The quote is that 'He was faster than she could ever have imagined.'
Do you know what the word 'ever' means?
I did not say he was that fast, I said he was at least that fast. I was severely lowballing to make a point.
Indeed. But Kas'im's feat is still superior in my eyes.
Okay, but you know you're essentially arguing that Yodas faster than Anakin to the point where he wouldn't even be able to see him, and that Anakin is faster than Dooku, who was able to duel Yoda closely enough to avoid capture and exhaust Yoda. Riiiiight? Thats what this all adds up to.
I didn't say that Bane was faster than Zonikan. Regular Anakin I would say that he is though.
And 'tiers'? **** me, you really lowball Bane don't you?
No, but you're being incredibly vague about how 'short' this training session was so theres no actuial comparison here.
What exactly is your point here?
I just quoted myself where I said she was 'extremely swift'. And I just did it again! ARE YOU HAPPY NOW!!!
Well Karpyshan's a fairly crappy writer so I wouldn't put it passed him. It just says that he's slower. ~End of discussion.~
Bane lost because of a specific weakness he has that Maul isn't going to exploit. He was winning until then and wasn't as his best. He wasn't losing to them and they were under Battle Meditation AND were impressive Jedi Masters in their own right (Farfalla defeat Sith Lord Kopecz in a lightsaber duel, who was fast enough to kill an entire squad of the Republics best before they could fire more than once and Raskta Lsu killed more Sith Lords than the Thought Bomb, was likened to Kas'im in terms of skill, was verbally fellated by the narration and dual wielded, which is Banes weakness).
They're comparable in terms of skill in my books, but Bane definitely is more powerful and faster than Maul, as well as being bigger and stronger.
Zannah is more powerful than Maul, yes. But she'd actualized her power by DoE so you can hardly argue that she's not be able to replicate it. She's the Dark Lord of the Sith by the end.
And the fact that he had Savage Oppress fighting with him more than makes up for him 'not being ready'. Really anyone who loses in a two on one fight and then complains that they were disadvantaged is a ****ing pussy.
Which isn't an example of combat endurance. It doesn't mean that he wouldn't get sloppy and leave himself open to counter attacks from Zannah. Like he did when he was fleeing with Savage for example.
Except that Bane's feat is nowhere near as ridiculous. You're comparing catching raindrops to LIGHTSPEED. Do you know how fast LIGHT is? There is no comparison.
Banes feat was something like mach 2. Light speed is mach 880991.
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Zannah has succesfully caught his lightning with her saber, I don't see why Maul would be different. Besides, being a Zabrak, he can tolerate high amounts of pain.
So? Maul is powerful enough to end his fight against Obi-Wan by hurling into a wall so hard it collapsed the ceiling and he literally chokes the life out of him in the TCW comic.
Feats indicate that. Bane is, at best, equal to Maul in terms of power. Bane muses in DoE that he'd been a smoking husk five years later.
I don't see how he is faster than Maul when concerning combat-speed.
Yes he is.
Nah, Dooku was just faster.
Qui-Gon is still quite fast.
Also, Maul is faster than Jinn.
At this point of time, Maul moves in the time it takes for an onlooker to blink, moves in a blur, moves so fast that an eyelooker would not be able to tell which of his blows came first, and then did the session in which he threw ten thousands of lunges. At this point, he's trained so much that he knows each of his moves ''intimately'', without ''making a mistake of misstep in years'', doing the maneuvers hundred times a day as his basic exercises. He's hardly a weakling at this point.
As for your second point, it was Sidious fighting so fast that made his blade hot that made Maul sweat.
Nah, obviously something horrible had happened, like Vjun and the cave at Dagobah.
Once again he could feel the power of the dark side. It was strong in this place; the misery and suffering of centuries hung in the air here. Bane could almost hear the screams of all the countless victims still echoing off the walls.
-Dynasty of Evil
It amuses me that you can't properly comprehend your own citation.
Where did you get the idea of Bane moving faster than a human.
lol
You're making the gap between Dooku and Anakin and Anakin and Yoda bigger than it actually is.
Really? That Dooku could only see multiple afterimages of Anakin's blade is definitely above anything Bane has done.
No.
He does his basic exercise hundred times a day, and that's only his ''BASIC'' excersie which would mean he'd still have time for other activities.
That combat-speed =/= speed shown in training
I'm completely lost.
Karpyshan isn't that bad, and if he is, then I'd blade Bane's rain-feat on him.
They're definitely comparable in terms of skill but Maul still edges it in my opinion. He's slain Anoon Bondara easily, and his padawan and Qui-Gon muses that his skills were some of the best. He also slew Qui-Gon himself with little difficulty, and Jinn is one of the best in the order. He's regarded as one of the most skilled and most highly trained Sith in history. Seems superior to Bane.
We've been over the speed-thing. Stronger? Maybe, but again, Maul's legs seemed to nullify Opress' strength completely, and he is quite strong in his own right having shattered a door with a punch so it'd be almost negligible. Maul's telekinetic feats exceed's Bane's.
No. Maul wasn't ready, was holding back and was hindered by the size of the cave they fought it.
I was more trying to make a point that she wouldn't outlast him.
Unless we're scripting the fight, Maul is not gonna get sloppy. Sidious explictly says in Maul's journal that he had taught him not to be underestimating his enemies, and Maul worked on developing his tactical abilities anyways.
No, but his feat is ridiculous in comparison to his other ones. One showing does not outweigh the average.
He underestimates Anoon and his apprentice as well. It almost gets him killed. In fact, that book really makes him come off as an arrogant twit, perfectly setting up his defeat through sheer incompetence in TMP.
Indeed, because Mauls displayed the ability to do that when he blocked lightning against.....
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Also, lmao. Yes, since he's a Zabrak he can surely tolerate being disintegrated. I R GUD At SCIENCE.
Yes, thats totally the same thing as what I said. Because we all know how impressive Obi-Wan is with TK. Remember when he.......
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Obi-Wan has also been overpowered by Savage and Ventress. Are they more powerful than Bane as well?
(which comic?)
Bane was becoming enfeebled from the effects of the orbalisks and age. His power is not mentioned as being diminished however. That he is 'less impressive' in your eyes (despite him performing many of the same feats) does not mean that he was weaker. It seemly means that he didn't display his power to the same level. That in itself does not equal being weaker.
The text at no point mentions his powers being weaker. This is pure, unsupported speculation. Give me a shred of evidence that his power was weaker or drop the point.
And I don't see how Maul approaches him.
Show me some evidence of that.
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Ooh, 'quite fast' huh? Yes, I can recall that highly hyperbolic statement you had about him. Pretty neeeeat!
He didn't seem to be that much faster than him. He needed to stun him first to get passed his guard.
None of that is as impressive as Bane's feats. In particular his 'moves so fast that an eyelooker would not be able to tell which of his blows came first' accolade barely matches up with Bane considering Bane appeared to wield 12 lightsabers at once well eclipses this.
Incorrect, that isn't mentioned in the text and you just made that up there.
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Er, Vjun had the entire planet go insane and massacred each other to form the nexus. And Dagobah had a Dark Jedi's energy infect. Neither are really comparable to a simple prison.
Such a compelling argument. My point stands. Bane was moving faster than Zannah could 'ever' have imagined. Meaning he was faster than in RoT.
Bane was beating Kas'im you know.
If Anakin is really so inferior to Sidious that he can't even see him when fighting and Yoda is Sidious' equal, then that would seem to be the logical gap would it not?
Firstly, If you're talking about that 'Skywalker was everywhere' quote, thats hyperbole and doesn't actually indicate that he was seeing afterimages.
Secondly, Dooku was still blocking Anakin and its not mentioned that he's having any trouble with his speed or keeping up with him.
Thirdly, I didn't say that Bane could beat Zonakin, nor that he was faster than him. I said that Anakin wouldn't stomp him.
Fourthly, considering Dooku was blocking him, I fail to see how it is definitely above Bane or that its fast enough for him not to defend against it. Don't tell me, you think Dooku's faster than Bane as well.
And no it isn't.
According to you Darth Bane is only as powerful as Maul, and several tiers below Yoda. Thats the lowest I've seen anyone rate Bane.
Too indefinite to use as a feat. Futhermore, he could simply have been on a planet that has 80 hour days.
Except that it obviously does. Just because they're not throwing the same amount of attacks doesn't mean they're not moving as fast.
We agree for once.
Bane has also fought with extremely skilled opponents. And unlike Anoon and Qui-Gon they have things to back up their supposed elite status. Kas'im and Raskta actually have feats which make Bane dueling them impressive.
Why would Maul's legs nullify strength? Legs have nothing to do with blocking something with your arms.
Mauls feats do not exceed Bane's.
Did I ask you to?
How exactly wasn't Maul ready? There wasn't anything affecting him. And all these amazingly potent disadvantages are highly offset by Savages presence. The fact that he lost is nothing short of an embarrassment and no handwaving up some pitiful disadvantages for him can change that.
Except she will. And I know. But as I pointed out, your point had nothing to do with combat endurance. Maul didn't fight for a month straight, he just survived.
Which explains how he died from underestimating his opponent. And how he almost died twice in Shadow Hunter for.... underestimating his opponent. And how he had to run from Kenobi in Revival because he underestimated him. And how he lost to Darth Vader by underestimating him.
But I was talking about him getting sloppy from tiredness. Which is Zannahs whole strategy.
Although personally the fact that he had to run from assassin droids is pretty pathetic. You just know Bane would have vaporised the lot on the first day.
It actually isn't that far off. Being able to move fast enough to appear to have 12 lightsabers from a powerful Force users perspective isn't that far below being able to block rain. If at all.
I checked and I didn't see anything mentioning emanations whenever they draw on the Force. Also Luke doesn't mention that, its part of the narration from Ben's perspective.
Occam's Razor only works if you can agree on the most likely explanation. I do not agree with yours, therefor its pointless to bring it up. A nexus might be a localization of Force energy, but More Force doesn't equal More Power necessarily. The ability to command greater amounts of Force equal More Power. A persons ability to manipulate the Force is dictated by their amount of midi-chlorians (as well as other factors). Without actually accessing a Force Nexus, your ability to manipulate the Force would stay the same. Like if I was picking up water in a bucket. My bucket doesn't get bigger just because theres more water around. I need to actually buy a new bucket or something.
Bullshit. You speculating that they might be drawing on the nexus means nothing. The mere presence of a nexus disqualifies ****all.
They sense the dark side radiating from the nexus whenever they draw on the Force.
It was Luke's perspective.
Your middle paragraph is moronic. No one said they're drawing on their own powers, they'd be drawing on borrowed power from the nexus in question.
I've already provided evidence of a nexus's effects being immediate. You haven't provided evidence of the reverse. What's more, you're only objecting because it diminishes Bane in your eyes. Your bias might be tolerable if you could craft a decent argument to support it, but all you've really said is "Waaah, waaah but Bane isn't as awesome if he was using the nexus!"
At best, it's nebulous; feats performed on a Force nexus cannot be logically said to be part of a character's standard array of feats, no matter who they are or how much you like them.
I'm officially bored with you and this subject, Neph. You've failed me and Bane... yet again.
Sure thing, because disintegrating stone on a nexus (was it in the prison?) is the same thing as disintegrating a highly pain-tolerable Force sensitive Zabrak.
Obi-Wan matched Anakin's Force push, and Anakin blew a door open by throwing a decently big slab of stone on it.
And I've seen pictures of Obi-Wan moving Durge's ship.
The Sith Hunters one with Maul and Savage. They meet Obi-Wan, Maul chokes Kenobi who is helpless, more Jedi arrive, the brothers escape.
Zannah specifically says ''You've become weak'', and Bane says that his age has ''robbed him of his power''.
Also, a big LOL at this:
I see no reason for why RoT-Bane's feats should be applied to DoE-Bane, that's ridiculous.
When has Bane ever been mentioned as faster than his opponent?
I'm not aware of such.
Also, Maul sees a needle which by default is almost too fast to see, in slow motion:
Rapier lunged at full extension, its metal knee joint bent almost to the floor. The needle point flickered toward Maul's heart, almost too fast to see.
The dark side blossomed in Darth Maul, the power of it resonating in him like black lightning, augmenting his years of training, guiding his reactions. Time seemed to slow, to stretch.
It would have been easy to chop the blade itself in half, as few metals could resist the frictionless edge of a lightsaber. But there was no challenge to that. Maul spun toward the point, twisted around the outside, and snapped his hands horizontally at chest level. The left blade of the lightsaber sheared through Rapier's sword arm. Both arm and weapon clattered to the floor.
-Shadow Hunter
lol
What one?
Stun him?
As per TPM novelization, Maul was ''gaining ground rapidly'' when they met on Tatooine, but Jinn kept up well.
If you can't properly evaluate the difference between orbalisk Bane and DoE Bane, I see no reason to further this discussion.
LOL
Maul doesn't break a sweat after lunging and running over ten thousands of times, you think he sweats after killing assassin droids?
Given that he could only ''smell heat and smoke'', it should be quite obvious.
Why not?
''Missery and suffering for centuries...''
It doesn't. It means faster than at one point, not specifically RoT.
By being faster?
This one:
That blue blade was everywhere, flashing and whirling faster and faster until Dooku saw the room through an electric haze...
So what? Dooku was blocking Yoda too. Want to say he didn't have trouble with Yoda's speed?
This has nothing to do with the point.
Sure, and I never said that Bane wasn't fast enough to defend against it.
lol
Not sure why you say ''only'' as powerful as Maul.
And it's not my problem that Bane is severely overrated.
Now you're making up something that hasn't been stated because you don't like the feat.
For the matter, this line is right before he began the training:
My Master has called me to Coruscant, to a secret place where I remain hidden, waiting for him to summon me.
Yeah, because Maul held back against the fight of his life.
Kindly tell me Kas'im's feats.
Metal legs?
We can say that Maul is that strong by default too, I don't mind.
Sure they do. More impressive accolades, more training, defeated more skilled opponents, shown more telekinetic raw power...
He said he wasn't ready as we saw Obi-Wan's ship in the sky.
There's a reason why Kenobi has never beaten Maul.
Then please show that Zannah's stamina is superior to Maul's.
>What opponent? If you mean Obi-Wan in TPM, that owes to PIS as much as it does Maul's arrogance.
>I don't remember Maul underestimating Bondara or Assant. Quote?
>He didn't underestimate Kenobi in Revival?
>He never underestimated Vader, he was actually swinging his saber down at Vader as he got stabbed.
Again, prove that her stamina is superior to Maul's.
You're acting as if the fight is gonna plat out by Zannah defending herself against his attack without tiring before he does.
What? When Maul was fresh, he crushed the assassin droids.
Again, orbalisk-Bane.
It's an outlier in terms of what DoE Bane is capable of.
Mace saw Sidious as a blur yet fought him. Dooku saw afterimages of Anakin yet fought him. Anakin's a level 9 duelist yet can't see Sidious, and you're not gonna get blitzed by someone in the same tier. Mace can compete with Sidious according to Lucas, yet he saw him as a blur.
Jul 10th, 2013 04:21 PM
Legs have nothing to do with blocking something with your arms. 
