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The Scenario
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Capable of evil, but chooses good. Sounds like a right good hero, that does.

She's never acted on the evil side, after all. Right?

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Jul 22nd, 2013 10:22 PM

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Capable of evil, but chooses good. Sounds like a right good hero, that does.

She's never acted on the evil side, after all. Right?

Being selfish and using others for your own personal benefit is evil.

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But later regretting that and admitting you were wrong to do so, and then helping save their whole world?

Major brownie points.

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Jul 22nd, 2013 10:28 PM

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But later regretting that and admitting you were wrong to do so, and then helping save their whole world?

Major brownie points.

She is capable of both evil and good. I've always admitted that.

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Jul 22nd, 2013 10:36 PM

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And in the middle of the game she just stops acting even remotely evil. Or even selfish. Never does anything like it again.

You don't think she was redeemed?

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Jul 22nd, 2013 10:40 PM

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Everyone is capable of evil, being good is doing good. What does midna do to make you think she's evil.

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Everyone is capable of evil, being good is doing good. What does midna do to make you think she's evil.

Capable yes but there are certain characters who are good or evil regardless. Midna is not one of them.

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Jul 22nd, 2013 11:00 PM

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Yes, Midna is a dynamic character. We know this. She changes from a rude, condescending meanie to a caring and heroic partner over the course of the game.

Heck, her "selfish" behavior was her trying to save the Twili. She may not have cared about Light Worlders, but that's not selfish behavior.

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Jul 22nd, 2013 11:06 PM

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Yes, Midna is a dynamic character. We know this. She changes from a rude, condescending meanie to a caring and heroic partner over the course of the game.

Heck, her "selfish" behavior was her trying to save the Twili. She may not have cared about Light Worlders, but that's not selfish behavior.

Yes, it is. Manipulating others while not caring about others well being is evil.

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Jul 22nd, 2013 11:08 PM

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So Midna went from wanting to stop Zant in order to save the Twili realm by using Link which would have also saved the Light realm, to doing the same thing with Link's help in order to save the realm?

..No seeing much of a difference. If anything it just says she decided to help everyone which would make her ever more of a good person. That, and willingly sacrificing her life in order to save everyone.

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That's why she broke Wolf Link out of prison and helped save the kids, right? Then helped return the Tears of Light to the Light Spirits?

That was always a business deal. She helped Link get what he wanted, and in return he'd help her get the Fused Shadows. Hardly manipulation, Midna straight up told Link this.

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Jul 22nd, 2013 11:13 PM

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So Midna went from wanting to stop Zant in order to save the Twili realm by using Link which would have also saved the Light realm, to doing the same thing with Link's help in order to save the realm?

..No seeing much of a difference. If anything it just says she decided to help everyone which would make her ever more of a good person. That, and willingly sacrificing her life in order to save everyone.

Her not caring about Link, Zelda, or their realm as opposed to hear caring.

If you can't see the difference there you are just lying to yourself.

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Jul 22nd, 2013 11:26 PM

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That's why she broke Wolf Link out of prison and helped save the kids, right? Then helped return the Tears of Light to the Light Spirits?

That was always a business deal. She helped Link get what he wanted, and in return he'd help her get the Fused Shadows. Hardly manipulation, Midna straight up told Link this.

She did what she had to accomplish her end game. She cared nothing for what happened to Link and his realm until later on.

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Jul 22nd, 2013 11:28 PM

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When she became good.

Jul 22nd, 2013 11:51 PM

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When she became good.

She is capable of both. She isn't just good or just evil like Link or Dorf.

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Jul 22nd, 2013 11:56 PM

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Link as evil in him and dorf has some good.

Jul 23rd, 2013 12:18 AM

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Link as evil in him and dorf has some good.

Based on ?

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Jul 23rd, 2013 12:28 AM

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Link is an arogant, cheating, teenager with no problem killing sentient beings.
The whole reason ganondorf tried to take over hyrule was that his people live ina cold desert full of death and ssuffering and he wanted a better life for his people.

Jul 23rd, 2013 12:31 AM

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Link is an arogant, cheating, teenager with no problem killing sentient beings.
The whole reason ganondorf tried to take over hyrule was that his people live ina cold desert full of death and ssuffering and he wanted a better life for his people.

Link does cheat for the greater good. It's like saying someone is evil because they said the baby was cute which was a lie.

Link is good and is generally selfless not flawless. I also did not see him as arrogant in Tp at all.

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Jul 23rd, 2013 12:35 AM