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quanchi112
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Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Like how midna used link for the greater good of her world?

She did not care about his world though. That's what made her selfish.

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BloodRain
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Her not caring about Link, Zelda, or their realm as opposed to hear caring.

If you can't see the difference there you are just lying to yourself.

Link does negative things for the greater good, and he's a pure good guy.

Midna 'did' negative deeds for the greater good then only did positive, but she's only neutral?

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quanchi112
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Link does negative things for the greater good, and he's a pure good guy.

Midna 'did' negative deeds for the greater good then only did positive, but she's only neutral?

Link is selfless on his own whereas she needs pushed in order to do so.

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Jul 23rd, 2013 01:17 AM

BloodRain
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No one pushed her to save her realm, or Link's.

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Jul 23rd, 2013 01:23 AM

quanchi112
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No one pushed her to save her realm, or Link's.

The selfless actions of them did so. Zelda and Link are selfless not Midna.

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Jul 23rd, 2013 01:34 AM

BloodRain
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Difference between her and Zelda? Both getting Link to save both realms for them, both for the same reasons.

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Jul 23rd, 2013 01:56 AM

quanchi112
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Difference between her and Zelda? Both getting Link to save both realms for them, both for the same reasons.

Zelda was always selfless unlike Midna.

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Jul 23rd, 2013 02:01 AM

BloodRain
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Point out the difference?

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Jul 23rd, 2013 02:08 AM

quanchi112
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Point out the difference?

Zelda never wanted to use someone else for her own means without caring about their well being.

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Jul 23rd, 2013 02:20 AM

BloodRain
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But Midna did care for Link's well being like Zelda, going the step further to actually tag along. Wouldn't make him save the kids she didn't. And she was doing this plan according to Zelda who she spoke with before freeing Link.

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Jul 23rd, 2013 02:30 AM

quanchi112
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But Midna did care for Link's well being like Zelda, going the step further to actually tag along. Wouldn't make him save the kids she didn't. And she was doing this plan according to Zelda who she spoke with before freeing Link.

After a time she cared for them both but not initially.

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Jul 23rd, 2013 02:38 AM

BloodRain
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So Midna became as selfless and heroic as Link and Zelda?

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quanchi112
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So Midna became as selfless and heroic as Link and Zelda?

She teleported them away from harm which was selfless as she took on Dorf. She is capable of both selfishness and selfish behavior.

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The concept of time just constantly eludes you, huh?

Midna was neutral, zelda sacrificed herself, midna became an honest to goodness good guy.

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quanchi112
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The concept of time just constantly eludes you, huh?

Midna was neutral, zelda sacrificed herself, midna became an honest to goodness good guy.

She was out for herself and had the who cares about Hyrule thing going for her until their actions changed her.

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NotAllThatEvil
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Yes. She became a good person. She was neutral, but is now a full blown goodygoody. Correct?

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Midna was more concerned about others than herself, while dying and tried to stop Zelda from saving her at personal cost.

Midna was utterly selfless by mid game. Inarguably.

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She did what she had to accomplish her end game. She cared nothing for what happened to Link and his realm until later on.

Oh my, "her end game"? That sounds ominous. So what horrible methods did she use to accomplish this terrible end game?

-Helping Link escape from prison?

-Returning the Light to Faron Woods?

-(During the Forest Temple Midna suggested saving all the monkeys)

-Helping save Link's friends while returning the Light to Eldin?

-Hm, does Midna really not care for Zelda?

-"We can't just leave them like this..."

-"I'm sorry for dragging you all over the place with me..."

What a monster! All pre-Zelda, by the way. Now for the Zelda scene? That one's a doozy. Of course, highlights from this moment include:

-"Please...please tell me...how do we break...the curse on this one? This...is the one...you need him...to save your world!"

-"That's why...Princess...please...you must help Link"

-"Fine...Link...you can...you can get to the woods...on your own, right?"

Hm, Midna's dying, and her only concern is Link's well being, and how he can save both worlds without her. I can't believe how selfish that is. Really, just appalling.

Now, I do like Zelda's line here:

-"Despite your mortal injuries, you act in our stead...These dark times are the result of our actions, yet it is you who have reaped the penalty."

Interesting, no? Really illustrates how evil Midna is capable of being here. I just want to make sure we're all on the same page, that Midna is basically the worst person ever. I mean what would you expect from such a sarcastic individual? Must be half-evil.

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quanchi112
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Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Yes. She became a good person. She was neutral, but is now a full blown goodygoody. Correct?

No, she always had it in her. Depends on the situation as it does with most.

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Jul 23rd, 2013 03:51 AM

quanchi112
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Midna was more concerned about others than herself, while dying and tried to stop Zelda from saving her at personal cost.

Midna was utterly selfless by mid game. Inarguably.

Caapble of both goodness and selfishness.

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