Neither man was at there best in this fight. Floyd clinched too much and didn't get any warnings from Kenny Bayless (again?) while Pacquiao let Floyd off the hook too many times. What we saw were diminished versions of two of the best fighters in their division, which just supports the claim that this fight happened 5/6 years too late.
To be honest, I'd love to see a rematch with a more healthier Pacquiao without the shoulder injury (which is said to have hurt his performance) but that's pretty much ruled out since it'll take up to 9 months to heal. Hopefully, Mayweather fights Keith Thurman next.
most people became "boxing analysts" after the fight, which - to be honest - i don't care about... but opinions from boxers themselves, that has a weight on me...
example: Tyson said that Pacman needs to jab (in his tweets), and if not, he'll lose... after the fight, Tyson said Floyd is pretty much "invincible"... then, Holyfield said, Pacman should've won because he is the "aggressor"...
now, i don't know what to believe anymore, lol...
anyway, come to think of it, i don't think Floyd thrown punches a lot... it can be argued that Pacman threw more... what Floyd did was run, clinch and soft jabs... but in all fairness, having a fight with Pacman unscathed - no matter how boring the fight was - is still something...
I'm going to take back on some things that I've said.
The shoulder injury was truly legit as confirmed by others in this thread already. It is not a claim. He had a torn rotator cuff on his right shoulder 3 weeks prior to the fight. It was to the point that he needed immediate surgery. Which is serious and a possible end to his career.
The Pacquiao we saw wasn't anywhere near his best, which explains alot by his disappointing under performance. Which also explains why he couldn't execute Roach's carefully constructed strategy - if there was one.
Mayweather was really fighting a one-armed handicapped Manny.
I now think that a fully healed 100% Pacquiao would have a legit chance in beating floyd in a rematch.
It's possible for a rematch to happen, now that the injury is confirmed.
It will take at least a year for a full recovery.
I hope Mayweather keeps his word and gives the fans the rematch Pacquiao deserves.
I feel bad for Manny, though. He's in some serious trouble for deceiving the NAC and the fans.
It may or may not be completely his fault. He'd be in more trouble if he decided to postpone the fight, when tickets and hotel bookings have already been reserved weeks before the fight by big-timers.
It's just sad that the supposedly "Fight of the Century" failed to live up to the hype because of the injury.
"Farewell, Damos... Ash, Pikachu... And you. All of my beloved." -- Arceus
Watch his highlights against Barrera and Marquez (first 3 matches).
Look at his eyes. You can almost feel the hunger in his eyes -- A hunger for glory and greatness.
It's sad how money, fame, and age took that away from him.
He gained everything, but he lost his passion for boxing. The very thing that helped him reach the top and succeed in life.
He just doesn't have that 'hunger' anymore.
"Farewell, Damos... Ash, Pikachu... And you. All of my beloved." -- Arceus
I take back everything I said against Pacquiao's performance, especially now that we know he was in need of immediate surgery. To need surgery like that, he was at a massive disadvantage from the start, but fought like a champ. Meanwhile, Floyd knew about this going into the match and even took advantage of it (as we can see above), but has the nerve to call Manny a coward and sore loser? Seriously? I get fighting to win. That's part of boxing. But to say all the garbage he is saying? What a joke this guy is. As far as I'm concerned, Manny is the real champ. I hope Amir Khan humiliates and knocks his lights out in November.
Don't get me wrong. He should let others about the injury going into the fight. That was wrong and he needs to face some form of penalty for that. But as far as boxing, he's the number one fighter of this generation and Floyd knows it.
Last edited by Dark-Kenshin on May 9th, 2015 at 09:45 PM
From what I heard, Pacquiao was pretty much in a tight situation. If the fight got postpone, it probably would have taken about 9-12 months before he heals up and by that time, Floyd would have already been retired...and even if he didn't retire, I doubt Pacquiao would fight Floyd first right after coming off his surgery. But he knew fans wanted the fight so he had to go on with it.
That's probably why Manny's best chance was to get a shot in his shoulder from USADA...which got denied by the NSAC for reasons I don't know. That's very messed up!
hm...i know we really want to believe that this fight is close ( i suppose to justify the hype we've all allowed ourselves to immersed in lol) but Floyd really did win this fight. The video above has many instances of questionable points given (on both behalf, tbh). I plan on making a response video to that video sometime soon. I've watched the fight 4 times. twice with sound and twice without and Floyd won. Its clear Manny wasn't himself in this fight. Many will counter in bunches...that's his style. He was very cautious with Floyd and rather wait for static moments to throw combinations...very uncharacteristic of him. Now we can either attribute that to Floyd's skills and resulting ring generalship or believe his shoulder really was the problem. I believe its the latter because...Manny is Manny. He'll eat a punch (which is all floyd really did...single punch) just to capitalize on that moment of opening. and i doubt Floyd's punches can plant THAT type of caution. I mean this dude fcked Margarito AND Cotto up - two very heavy handed fighters.
ironically, i'm happy to know manny was injured prior to the fight, lol, it gives me a little peace of mind ha.
I still believe Manny has the tool to beat Mayweather. Want you guys to check out these segments. This was Manny's best round and possibly the BEST round anybody's ever had against Floyd! He easily won this round no ifs ands or buts. I disagree at the punch connect counts from the video that BroSmash posted up (which again, i will do a response video to that video soon) but, i think its clear Manny had the easy 10 - 9.
1:56 - Manny countered Floyd's jab with a lunging right. Floyd respected it. The usual (perhaps healthy) manny would have connected that with another stright right jab and go to work on Floyd. I can almost guarantee that floyd would NOT have expected another right from Manny and likely give manny another 2 or 3 hits based on that shock alone lol.
1:28 - BEAUTIFUL! This is where i say that a Healthy Manny would likely walk through Floyd's punch as indicated here. He ate a stiff jab and countered with his own left cross! But again, the old manny would not give a 2 second pause and would likely connect that left cross with some more combos. instead, it gave Floyd time to shell himself negating much of the points he (manny) would've had. Anybody who gave points to manny's barrage is of questionable intent because aside from 2 side head shots and 1 clean torso shot....most of those hits were blocked, rather cleanly. it looks active and cool but much of them didn't land.
here's my favorite and what tells me that Manny most definitely CAN beat Mayweather. As a common tactics for Floyd, i knew what floyd was going to do right away when i saw those little jabs and the dropping of his right arm. He's setting a trap for manny. He usually set it up with a couple of jabs and then when the opponent think they can intercept his little jab rhythm, he would counter with a leading right (which he keeps relaxed and drops it slightly lower than usual). He did it just seconds prior (with an exaggerated feeling out right lead lol) and he was going to set it up again, this time with full force. This is what makes Manny capable of beating floyd in my opinion. Manny, played into floyd's trap and did tapped floyd with a right jab. And we see what floyd was aiming for. i'm not sure if it was fighter's instinct or just plain old unorthodox movement of manny pacquiao, but after tapping floyd with the right jab, he (manny) slipped to the left BYPASSING floyd's trap forcing a bewildered floyd to make a clinch move, lol. Check it out = 00:57 - 00:38 of the 4th.
I posted here a while back that i feel Manny's weird movements CAN give floyd a VERY hard time and i feel this example best supports that notion.
Last edited by dynamix on May 14th, 2015 at 04:40 AM
Sat down and reviewed the whole fight myself with no volume on. Once in slow motion. Once at full speed. I have Pacquiao winning 115-113. Completely different fight when you get rid of the biased ring commentary. Talk about a hometown decision win. Now I see why Floyd Sr was freaking out, demanding to know why Floyd was fighting scared.
At very least, this just goes to show you that we need a more objective and more accountable judging system. There is absolutely no conceivable to justify a 118-110 score.
Last edited by Dark-Kenshin on May 14th, 2015 at 09:19 PM
Yeah, many people are doing the same thing and are also starting see Pacquiao as the winner. For a while, people thought Pacquiao was crazy for insisting that he won and was just being a sore loser but now with people scoring the fight themselves, it's starting to seem like his claim does ring true...and he knew this before pretty much anybody.