It seems I get to offer the first rebuttal. Abhi, cheers, it's been a while since we've had a tourney. Let's enjoy it.
Wings of an Angel
Let's first nip this Dark Angel nonsense in the bud. Curry reviewed everything and explicitly allowed the Fabric of the Universe as gear. Twice. I can post them if needed, or probably bring him in here to make a ruling (again). It won't go well for you, and it will appear as though I've gained some momentum. Let me know if you want to continue to pursue it, and I'll respond accordingly.
But suffice it to say, I wouldn't have drafted her if I didn't have access to her powers, and if I hadn't confirmed that beforehand. Judges, I have access to the Fabric of the Universe and the armor that channels it. It was discussed, reviewed, and approved. End of story.
Here's a scan of refutation, if needed: http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5069/gymn.jpg
Wherein we learn that the Fabric has the "Power of Angels." DA has no inherent powers herself. After that whole debacle in the main discussion thread, where we specifically talked about gear and the Fabric as part of it, here's curry:
...that was in direct reference to her full powers as gear. And again, I have another quote more explicitly referencing gear if needed. Abhi, just drop this. It's not debate, it's tedium that's already been decided.
Bringing a Bazooka to a Nerf Fight
Let's talk about Abhi's strategy here for a second.
He amalgamated Abom and Britain. I was expecting some sort of complimentary powers, a mesh or amp, anything, something. What we got is nothing. We have two base level bricks stacked on one another. Woo?
The other disappointment was Prometheus. His writeup contained exactly one scan of Prometheus, and it was...hypnotism? Against a phased, teleporting, telepathic character, who is also an alien robot that is hundreds of feet tall. Here's what Dark Angel thinks of this nonsense: http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/3743/kbub.jpg
As such, we have a flying brick, and some useless trickery from Prometheus. Ultimo might be able to take them on his own. And that's before amping his strength via Havok's power: http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5149/zsxy.jpg
or more specifically, this: http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/1416/5ejq.jpg
And that's also before the incomprehensible upgrade I've given Havok via Angel's suit.
Seriously, I can behead his guy with a wave of my plasma-amped metallic pimp hand. I dominate his team in every phase of the game. Try harder.
Meet Armory...??
Hi Armory. You're not in the tournament. What the **** does that scan have to do with our match?
I can absorb energy, phase through it, teleport around it, overpower it, or straight-up tank anything you can dish out. Btw, here's an absorption feat that's going to silence any doubt: http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/644/20hv.jpg
Mach 10 is the speed cap for the tourney, and it's a bit of a joke. I don't have an exact flight speed for DA, but here's her flying from the X-Mansion to England in minutes: http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5141/0rjg.jpg
So there's no edge there. I'm at or near the speed cap. Britain can eat it.
Bring it on. I would like to know how he allowed a physical implant by a mind draft. Curry has explicitly stated that physical implants like Fabric of Universe are either under Body draft or power draft.
You yourself said it so
Heck Emma Frost and Jean Grey’s TP and TK were denied to me and Sue Richards’s powers too which are nearly identical to Dark Angel’s power source because mind pick only grants you skills and equipment.
I would like to see how it was approved when all the rules are against it. Her armor is allowed, her second skin aka Fabric Of Universe which is now a physical implant of her body isn’t allowed.
You are not serious with this BS, are you? That’s Angel of Death talking to her about giving her powers. Here it is explicitly stated that the skin is a permanent part of her body and that her body channels the power, the armor just inhibits her.
A cropped scan of no name character trying to focus? How convenient. She doesn't have her powers to save her anyway. Just how useless that hypnotism was? Ask green lantern
That’s the funniest thing I heard all day long. Guys, Ultimo swatted IRON MAN MILES AWAY!! Who cares that just a component of my combo destroyed a place larger than planets with just shockwaves, right? So havok punched a random mutant who is so random, well his name is random. Not to mention that at this point Havok was amped beyond his normal level because of whole Mutant-X fiasco which he spells out in that scan, so that’s not his normal power anyway. You are forgetting something important here too. Dark Angel’s suit wouldn’t upgrade havoc, it would inhibit Havok’s cosmic powers. You don’t have dark angel’s powers here and if that suit can inhibit her from someone who can rewrite whole of reality to well, dark angel’s normal power level havok would be lucky to light a matchstick here.
You are quite overconfident here. Gray hulk has destroyed an asteroid twice the size of earth, savage hulk has too many strength feats to count. Abomination is so strong that he can take an angry hulk’s punch and beat him to near death in four punches. How is Ultimo even beating him let alone beheading him? Are you confusing height with strength? You still haven’t shown any strength feat on par with Abomination or Captain Britain let alone their combined strength and you are talking about beheading him? Lulz. Swatting Iron man away isn’t cutting it here.
I think I can do better than that. What do you think?
The good thing is that I’m not going to use energy attack then, isn’t it? Can havok absorb punches too? No? Too bad. Cap absorbed enough energy to threaten earth too while extremely weakened.
Guess he just absorbs everything Havok can throw at him.
An attack from some old Iron man armors is more than anything I can dish out? Boy, aren’t you overconfident! 100’s of these armors couldn’t even lift hellicarrier once but they can dish out more power than a being whose one part can destroy places larger than planets. Seems likely.
Are you fast enough to deflect a lightspeed attack in 1/10th of a millisecond too?
Phoenix Rachel summers failed at resisting the same mind control btw. It was specified that it was due to Cap’s powers so it still applies to this combo.
Superchild infects your android body with his “Diencenphalons analog via ehocasing with sub-dermaphenol chloroform” or whatever the hell it is and takes you down instantly like red tornado.
There we go, Abhi!! I was worried after your lackluster writeup. Thought I wouldn't even be challenged. Nice bounce-back. Now, let's get to it.
I hope to transition into specific rebuttals in this post, instead of the general areas of debate of my writeup and first post. My strategy is pretty well outlined by now, so we can get into the details.
/debate
Concerning Dark Angel, earlier today:
And in this case, "suit" refers to both Fabric and overs-suit (not sure what to call it). Curry is completely aware of the distinction, and both are allowed. I'm told this information has been conveyed to Abhi. Again, this was all covered during drafts. Any more questions?
Also, it invalidates everything Abhi said about DA not amping Havok. That sh*t is still on in force.
First, the guy in the scan says it's an illusion, not phasing. Two different things.
Second, you're ignoring how I'm using the ability. I'm invisible (you haven't shown how you'd detect me, btw), so I can dictate our engagement. Then I'm teleporting behind you at an opportune moment and unleashing hell. What will that look like? Phasing into your chest and unleashing herald-busting energy blasts. Melting any and all tech Prometheus is bringing (including his suit). Or half a dozen other attacks.
Also, you'll never get the chance to do that anyway. I'm engaging you on my terms, in a way that you can't detect or predict. First strike is mine, and it's all I'll need.
Iron Man is damn near the best energy output, durability, etc. at high meta. Ultimo frequently no-sells him. One scan doesn't refute that. I've posted, what, 6-10 scans of no-selling high meta level punishment (and in the case of the giant Iron Man battle, well above high meta collectively)? And that's before Dark Angel's absorption, Havok's shielding and absoprtion, etc.
Oh, and again, none of this matters. I will have the initiative in the fight. Teleport to you or phase up from the ground, blast you at point blank range, then teleport out if needed.
On the Havok thing, who cares if he was slightly amped? I'm absurdly more amped in this match. So Ultimo's strike will be enhanced beyond anything we've seen from him.
I don't know, because she's not in this match. You're quite far down the ABC rabbit hole here, based off a single scan that I have actively refuted with nearly a dozen scans. I'm not going to bother to follow you on this one.
Woah woah woah. You don't get to ask rhetorical questions and answer as though you're speaking for me. Let's try this again...
Wait, WHAT?! I didn't attack you telepathically, dude. That scan isn't the same thing. At all. It was a directed plasma attack on Hulk's brain. Go read the scan again. No telepathic energy to shunt back, like he did in the Miss Martian thing. Nada. None. Entirely different.
And it took out the damn Hulk. Are Abom and Britain > him now, too? Don't strain our credulity. And actually try to deal with my attacks, not how you wish I was attacking you.
Prometheus has an incredible prep showing against the JLA. Just amazing. That's where Abhi is pulling all of these scans from.
But here's the thing, and he even states it multiple times in the scans Abhi posted: he's prepping for completely specific power sets. Not me.
It's also dubious whether or not he'd have many of his items and weapons as standard. That was with prep, yeah?
Either way, it's useless. I'm going to melt the suit into his face before he's even within striking distance of me. Or rather, by phasing into his face and ripping it off him.
Let's End With a Bulleted List
I like bulleted conclusion lists. I don't think it's too early for them, yeah?
...actually, no, this is post 2 of 5. I think we should at least be in the back half before I start them. Something to look forward to next post, true believers! Excelsior!!!
Where did he say that "her physical implants" are a part of the suit
Its not. You are ignoring straight on panel evidence that the suit doesn't amp or channel Dark Angel's powers. It inhibits her powers and it would inhibit Havok's powers too. Judges would see to it though.
WTF? He was saying that in response of cap touching him. He said outright that he was immaterial. Seriously?
You might not know this but Cap's magical nature gives him to perceive that can't be seen. Like a magical spell which he sees when others can't and then destroy it by grabbing it.
Nocturne turns intangible when she possesses somebody FYI.
You are talking like Prometheus' suit wouldn't be protected from Cap's force-field which has taken an attack as hot as sun from Pete Wisdom right in the eyes without any problem
First thing first, that wasn't 616 adamantium or even adamantium. It was an alternate reality alloy with no durability feat to speak of which Havok mistook as adamntium. If you're trying that as a proof that Havok can melt adamantium, a huge lulz @ that. Havok has unloaded everything he could at a weaker cap and cap no sold it completely to the point havok drained himself.
I like how you conveniently forgot that. Also what is so impressive about an energy blast that creates a crater? Punches that create shockwaves able to destroy planets don't impress you?
You are in illusion if you think this fight is being fought at your term. This is my fight from start to finish. I've counters for everything you can bring.
Obviously he is beneath Armory then. Of course it does. Armory oneshotted Ultimo. Its the only time he was beaten by force. Nothing that refutes Armory oneshotting him. Havok's shields are a joke. Energy absorption has nothing to do with punches.
None of that would work as I explained already. Your phasing is useless, your teleportation is useless and your energy blasts are useless.
Slightly amped? He had the power of every Havok in multiverse at that point and defeated Goblyn Queen outright. When Johnny storm was amped in such manner he defeated MoD. Nothing at that level. Speculation at best, wishing at worst. Bring a proof of havok amping strength at normal level.
You mean you posted scans of a weaker Ultimo shrugging off attacks from some featless Iron man armors to refute a stronger Ultimo getting oneshotted by a character who has no showings in relation with Iron man on the basis that Iron man is somehow automatically superior to her despite being shown as inferior by direct showings? How convenient?
I asked about Havok shielding from punches and you show me a nameless character carrying him? That's Mutant X havok again BTW who is more amped than you can amp him. Hahaha. Cap at a weaker level shattered Crimson bands of cyttorak.
Abom is stronger than a tired hulk and Cap is too.
Beating on vulcan doesn't impress me. Look what Gladiator did to him and my combo is VASTLY stronger than Gladiator.
Not true at all. He was improvising on the spot to deal with every kind of threat as shown in the dialogues. He had the files and protocols to beat every superhero on earth from his very first appearance.
Its not a specific prep and why would something which downed someone like Red Tornado wouldn't work on a far less sophisticated android such as ultimo?
No. Its his standard equipment. You are claiming that physical implants are standard equipment and now you're doubting Prometheus' suit being a standard equipment?
None of that would work bro. Try even harder.
I'm just going to destroy your every post like this. Again your combo is going to be destroyed by this maneuver.
You have no counter to any of my attacks. I'm going to rip apart your suit after destroying Havok's puny shields, rip Ultimo apart limb by limb and then disable your android mind and then hypnotize your human mind into submission in less than a millisecond. Try to stop me.
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Abhi, I don't want to be that guy, but I'm facing you so I kinda have to. One match post is exactly that, one post. You labeled your 3rd post at #2. I think that you're thinking you've only posted twice. But you're at 4 posts right now.
I'm pointing it out here so that it's seen and not buried in other discussion, but if you'd like to contend it, we might be able to segue to the main thread.
That's because my post was so big that I'd have to split it into two parts otherwise I couldn't even post it. That's why I wrote continued....... at the end of both posts. I posted only twice so I wrote it as post #2.
First of all, really?! REALLY?! No one's going to say anything about my music video at the beginning? Not here, and not in the main thread. Fine, I'll take my ball and go home. See if I release another video next match.
First Blood
Abhi tried to call me out on my invisibility. Ok, kudos on making me use this scan: http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/7003/5bnl.jpg
That's Dark Angel invisible to friggin' Mephisto in his own realm. Good luck claiming I'm not invisible at this point.
It's also not magic-based. So you can stuff that argument about Britain seeing it.
So I initiate the fight, as it has always been. I teleport behind him, phase into him, and destroy him from the inside. Hell, I'm big enough to just merge his entire body (including brain) with metal. If he survives, he sure as hell won't be in fighting shape.
Even if one aspect of it doesn't go as planned, I get the first attack, can teleport away on a whim, and probably still have an insta-kill with amped Havok at point blank range.
He has no escape from this. No answer to it. The interpretation of this match doesn't need to go any further. And if I don't have the advantage I want, I teleport away and begin anew (see writeup for basic scans of all these abilities).
Venn Diagrams
There's a few common ways to approach tourney drafts. One is to be the best at something. Speed, telepathy, whatever, just overwhelm your opponent with one major advantage.
Another is amping via mesh, as evidenced in my amalgam, or Id's for another obvious example.
A third is prep mastery. Just go nuts with something using a brainiac or tech pimp.
Another is to cover a ton of bases and hope your opponent can't account for all of them. To a certain extent, I did this. Telepathy, phasing, teleporting, energy absorption and massive energy attacks, solid physical stats, etc. The Havok amp means I went for broke in one particular category, but I also tried to cover many different bases.
And then there's Abhi. Abom + Britain. Two powerful characters in their own right. But almost entirely overlapping. Do you think their strength stacks? How so? You can't have two bodies. I thought something else was going to come of this, but no. You have them at their base levels.
You've got some good scans, and they're solid players. But you're fighting uphill because you're one-dimensional. Or, rather, one-dimensional compared to most teams. Much like your idol, you just want to punch your way to victory. That doesn't cut it in tournaments.
Kinda inconclusive, yeah? He detected the blast before it came and just sidestepped. I will give no such warning, and my blast will be thousands of times more powerful and larger in radius. You're not dodging anything.
If you're basing your speed on your least superpowered pick, you're in trouble.
Same scan both times. Also seems wildly inconclusive. I'm not even sure what I'm looking at or how it turned out.
And in my case, my Havok could perform that feat easily and continuously, since he has an endless power source to draw from.
Ok, maybe? If he is, then it's meaningless. And if not, you found an outlier thread that I've been refuting (and will continue to do so).
Iron Man not enough for you? He's no-sold IM and War Machine at the same time. Multiple IM suits remotely controlled. Ms. Marvel. I don't want to pull the Thor feat. I have a gentleman's agreement that I won't use that in this tourney, because it's an outlier in the other direction. But it exists, and you're obviously not one-shotting anything, or even hurting me seriously. Overstatement isn't going to get you anywhere.
Where to begin? Energy shields can help against punches. So there's the first completely obvious point. The scan I posted was a shield, not absorption.
I could say more, but that's enough, I'll let it sink in.
Dark Angel (again)
And now, our field reporter, Steve. Steve, what's the word out there?
Steve: Well Jim, we have yet another confirmation from curry that Dark Angel is entirely legal, and that the Fabric of the Universe is included in that, and that Dark Angel gets access to all of her powers. Let's take a look at the tape...
And Jim, this is in addition to the earlier statement from curry, saying essentially the same thing:
I'll drop the act and be serious now. Abhi, the Fabric is a tricky thing, because it could be seen as either gear (mind pick) or body (body pick). It has been approved as gear several times now. I actually understand where you're coming from, because it's a bit ambiguous and required a ruling. But that ruling has come in. I know you know this by now.
You're not going to get her invalidated. If you want, I can annoy curry again and have another quote ready for my next post. But let's just move on. You think you win anyway, yeah? Beat me straight-up; don't try to get an already-approved pick invalidated.
Un-amped high meta picks are "VASTLY" stronger than Gladiator?
You always this misleading digi? First let me show the whole context of that showing. Dark Angel was merged with Angel of death that allowed her soul to gain the cloak of invisibility via transference. How good was this cloak to begin with? Not very good it seems
That’s Guide seeing her alright. Then her soul merged with angel of death goes to Mephisto’s realm where her allies were already in fight with Mys-tech board which has avoided Mephisto’s gaze too even after a bit of fighting and even fighting some random demons of mephisto.
Not a good showing for Mephisto and Cloak if unshielded humans avoided his gaze too, right? Not to mention it was Dark Angel’s soul which was shielded from Mephisto’s gaze not her body.
Now to the second showing. Its even more interesting. Dark angel travels to Astral Plane
He said he had seen the same light before on someone when Ruin teleports. That’s the same light as Prometheus teleports himself and Zauriel and that’s why superman remembers it because Ruin never teleported in his sight before. So, I teleport behind you and with nanosecond level reactions infect your android body and then tear your body apart. Do you have any kind of reflex feats to defend yourself? You can’t phase inside cap’s force-field.
Good luck. What makes you think I can’t spot your clumsy ass with my suit and nanosecond level fast reflexes and teleport away? Of course I do. I can do that too and way faster than you. Since teleporting this way doesn’t reduce momentum, I can just punch you from all directions without being touched once with teleportation and my nanosecond reflexes. My bad. It was supposed to be two scans of Pete Wisdom’s plasma knives “which are as hot as sun’s plasma” and Havok’s own plasma blasts having no effect on Cap’s force-field. This was a vastly weaker cap BTW.
Good luck amping him to that level. Good showing but that had more to the point that Havok’s plasma powers could negate the pull of that black hole for some time. It has no use in a combat since there is nothing he can negate here. I’m not throwing black holes at him digi. What would you do with a plasma sphere that negates gravity? Throw it at us and hope I stand there and get caught in it? Huh? None of these are enough. I don’t see any of these punching hulk to death+shattering planets with shockwaves level strength. Considering that the Thor showing is from a different version of Ultimo, I don’t see how that’s a high end outlier for THIS ultimo. This ultimo had two showings, one in which it no sold Iron man and War machine and then Armory oneshotted it. Frankly, this version of Cap is far more powerful than that version of Iron man and War machine combined. The shockwaves of his punches against Fury destroyed a place bigger than planets.
Knock us all out with similar showings from IM and war machine in that armor. It was a nameless guy carrying Alex calling him “Sir” and all that. Post the whole scan and show us where did Alex tanked a punch or at least tell me the name of the big guy to know his strength level. At this point you are just throwing out a random guy carrying Havok through a wall and calling him “Mr. summers sir” and expecting me to believe that this shield can survive Superchild’s punches when only one part of my strength can shatter Crimson bands of cyttorak from a Dr. Strange level sorcerer?
Also I accepted Dark Angel as a pick. Let’s move on.
Gladiator was perfectly matched by hyperion in strength
That doesn’t shows a “vast” strength difference? You are placing too much faith in tier system.
At this point, Digi’s Phasing, intangibility, Teleportation, Strength and energy blast have all been countered by me successfully. He still hasn’t countered any of my points at how he is reacting to my attacks, enough durability of shields and Ultimo to counter my strength and most importantly he completely ignored this.
Look at the bottom of that first scan. I'll quote you the line. She turns them invisible and it says "An initiatory power gained from the Angel of Death in Dark Angel #9"
And what was Dark Angel #9? You guessed it, the Mephisto feat.
She retains the ability. It's part of her skill set. And the proof is written right into the comic.
So. I have invisibility that works on Mephisto in his own realm. Nothing changes.
So, you're saying he sees her once she wants him to see her. Nice rebuttal.
Looks like he just heads home. That's not battle teleportation.
And that's not the same character. And your "proof" that it's the same tech is idle speculation.
No, what you're doing is considerably less powerful.
And let's take that feat to its logical conclusion. If he can hold back a black hole with his power, don't you think that same level of energy force can hold back, I dunno, a punch from a high meta character? I'll let you do that math on that one.
No, but I have a scan of um-amped Havok alone defeating Hulk (see Digi Post #1, true believers!). And black holes are significantly > planet-busting. If Havok didn't have that level of power, the planet would have been consumed in that feat.
Enough with this Armory BS. If you wanted that feat so bad, you should've drafted her.
Let's take a look at her Wiki:
"Armory possesses a multi-dimensional device that is able shift into an infinite number of weapons. Armory calls it the Tactigon, and says that it has a built in safety that lets her only get the weapons and power she needs to get the job done."
Oh, what's that, she's strapped to walking PIS. Cool. It has absolutely zero bearing on this match.
Pretty much confirms everything I just said. You're citing an infinitely adaptable gun with 1-2 showings into a fight where you didn't even draft her, and expecting me to take it seriously.
Not quite so fast.
Judges
- Abhi accepts the Dark Angel pick entirely.
- This makes all of my amps and strategies viable.
- Abhi wasted probably about 1/4 of his earlier posts on trying to discredit something that he now accepts. EVERYTHING he has said about DA's legality to this point should be discounted entirely.
Ok, now let's move on.
And you're placing too much faith in second-hand feats. A Skrull facsimile standing in for someone that we all know Britain could never come close to beheading. A character you didn't draft (Armory), with a brokenly OP weapon, substituting for actual offense. A Superman foe with a similar glow as "proof" that you can accomplish the same teleportation.
Oh, and maybe it's just me, but the energy bolts aimed at the Skrull in the first panel of that scan seem to tear his neck up something fierce. There's some green blood-stuff coming out. Something tells me it wasn't an unassisted feat by Britain.
So here's the ruling about post counts. Abhi isn't allowed to do what he did anymore, but his earlier posts where he counts 2 as 1 are being counted as 1.
In compensation, I'm allowed to make one "Continued..." post where we count 2 as 1, so that Abhi hasn't been granted more debate time than me. It's a decent compromise.
For judging purposes, it changes nothing, but this is just an FYI.
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I'm using this as a summary of my take so far. Most of the scans needed are dotted throughout my earlier posts.
- His reliance on secondhand feats is staggering. Skrull = Hyperion. Ambiguously powerful PIS gun = Britain. Ruin = Prometheus. I actually have two feats of one of my picks (Havok) destroying a mid herald energy manipulator when amped. Hell, even Black Blot arguably fared worse against Vulcan. And it's all directly on panel. If he thinks he can come within a quarter mile of me without having to deal with herald-busting energies, he's deluding himself.
- I managed to amp Havok continuously with DA's Fabric-armor (all scans in my writeup). The Fabric of the Universe is made of the stuff that amps him, and it is an endless energy supply. This will amp Havok beyond anything we've ever seen. Abhi has stopped his crusade against DA's legality, so this is on in force.
- On the flip side, Abhi did nothing to amp anyone. So there's one of two ways to see this: Either A. Abhi drafted a Gladiator-busting character in a high meta tourney. Or B. he has unamped high metas. I think the answer is obvious.
- As outlined in my most recent post above, my invisibility remains in full force, and I will initiate conflict. This negates many of his potential advantages, and allows me to dictate the entire encounter.
- That Abhi refuses to understand how Havok can block punches astounds me. He can hold back a black hole, but a punch against a hundreds-foot tall robot is indefensible. Child, please. Same logic with strength-amping. Havok has done it before, and he'll be as amped as he's ever been in a comic. To pretend that it's impossible is to deny on-panel evidence. So I have amped my near-the-caps pick in durability, strength, energy, everything. He has not.
- Can't stress this enough, DA is legal and Abhi accepts this. Everything he's said about her legality can be safely discarded.
- Lastly, don't make the mistake of confusing tenacity for validity. Abhi and I have had probably the most intense back and forth debate of the tourney so far. I've seen a lot of "great match" notes from people. And that's great! But the potential trap is thinking this match is close simply on the merits of that intensity. I don't think it is, at all. I think Abhi came out flat with his writeup, failed spectacularly in getting my DA pick disqualified, didn't mesh his draft picks advantageously, is relying on suspect appearances by characters he didn't draft to make his point, and is severely behind in several key areas of power or versatility in this thread. Make the right call, vote for Digi!
Abhilegend Post #4
Yes and that’s the only showing with the suit making her body invisible and even then Anti-being spotted her as soon as he saw her. That was Dark Angel’s soul merged with Angel of Death which hid from mephisto. Unusable for her body since it wasn’t used on that. Not to mention that some random humans without any invisibility hid from Mephisto’s gaze too. Not that its going to change anything here. Here comes the trump card.
I know everything you will do before you even do something.
When I teleport to the phantom zone, I teleport to a dimension which is connected to every point of time and space simultaneously. Here superman travels to Krypton before it exploded via phantom zone
Here Epoch simultaneously glimpses Phantom Girl in 31st century (who’s never been imprisoned in phantom zone btw so it’s a glimpse of future), Mon-El, Zod and others in 21st century.
So, I teleport there and learn everything you are going to do before you even do anything in no time at all. I know when you are going to turn invisible, where are you when you are invisible, when are you going to teleport, where would you appear next. I know it all. Good luck trying to do anything to me now. Not unless she merges her soul to angel of death and hides outside her body. That showing doesn’t involve her body, so its invalid to use here. A few unshielded humans did that too. Mephisto’s gaze sucks. It changes nothing of course, I know exactly where you are at all time thanks to my vision and knowledge thanks to phantom zone. She never took off the cloak. She still had the cloak when she stepped outside. What kind of BS is that? He teleported Zauriel mid attack. That’s as good of a battle teleportation as any not that matters. I can teleport freely. The same tech, never said Ruin was Prometheus. Not at all. Your rebuttal is nothing though. Prometheus used the same light to teleport in and out phantom zone, ruin did the same and Superman recognized it as once when Ruin it used in front of him for THE FIRST TIME. Your proof? Not unless my attack is gravity related which havok’s plasma negated. It wasn’t a long computation. An attack which wouldn’t get past my force-field. If that attack even connects to me since I would know this attack and just teleport away. By gathering energy from the atmosphere. When havok countered the gravity of black hole, it would’ve consumed china after absorption of energy for more than a minute. Its significantly lesser than planet busting. It just shows just how bad Ultimo’s durability is.
Here is trauma and Hardball tanking the same energy blast
Obviously that was a planet busting attack they tanked, right?
Secret Invasion made it clear that super-skrulls had the same power levels of the heroes they copied powers with. Objection dismissed. That was only shown for the information that Ultimo has a sucky durability. That energy blast was tanked by some random teens, it was so broken OP. Lulz. Based on superman’s comment. Not to mention I don’t have to prove that Prometheus can teleport, he already can. That was more to show that I wouldn’t be losing momentum while teleporting. That’s a different super-skrull. http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/...es/mi13_01c.jpg
None of those guys have shown durability like my picks. I’ve tanked attacks from characters like Fury and a super-skrull with the magic of entire Britain (which includes Sword of Might and Amulet of right which combined make or unmake the whole creation plus dozens of other uber magical artifacts) .
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/...on/mi13_04c.jpg
He had Excalibur but it doesn’t increases wearer’s durability, it just makes them unable to bleed no matter how wounded so its just his own durability. Can you amp havok to that level? Not to mention I’ve already tanked Havok’s all out attack when he was amped to all the Havoks in the multiverse from Mutant X.
I’ve posted this several times and Digi always ignores this. BTW I never said Ruin=Prometheus, I just said their tech was the same on their working and superman’s comment. She can’t amp him farther than Mutant X levels. I would like to see what is the best energy projection feat she has other than theoretical amp based on nothing but words “fabric of the universe”. The being who amped on her energies in Digi’s scans has no feats with or without that amp other than lip-service.Of course not. I can see you just fine with my vision and the knowledge that where you are at any point. Negating gravity =/=blocking punches. Digi failed spectacularly in that regard. C Present the feats grandpa. A scan where Mutant X Havok himself states that he has never done strength amping normally isn’t a proof. I’ve picked characters who are above Meta levels in strength, durability, speed and all that individually. Combining that we get a Monster in strength who can destroy planets with shockwaves, unparalleld durability which can tank anything Havok amped or not can throw at him and such speed that Digi wouldn’t even see me coming. Combined with the knowledge of everything Digi is going to do, he can’t even touch me let alone harm me. Still got no counter to red tornado scan?
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Complete strategy.
- I teleport to the phantom zone and learn everything about what Digi is going to do due to Zone being present in every point of time and space.
Now I would just tear Ultimo’s body apart using my vast strength and vastly superior speed. Any energy blast he might throw would be either dodged by teleporting or shunting it into phantom zone. If he tries to teleport away, I would know when he’s going to teleport and where he would reappear next so I would simply teleport right there and would start tearing him apart at superspeed again.
-He brought scans of Havok being carried away by a nameless character and Havok negating gravity of a black hole which was at best a continent buster as a shield capable of blocking punches that can destroy planets. SMH.
-He overselled Havok’s energy projection. Vulcan has no feats approaching my combo’s durability. He tried to strawman it by bringing up tiers but we all know that feats>KMC tiers, don’t we?
So here we are, Digi’s whole strategy destroyed, his combo’s mind and body both destroyed and that’s all.
I had a lot of fun in this match. I apologize to Digi if anything I said offended him. See you all.
She used it again later, and it was stated to be an ability she gained at the time of the Mephisto feat. No Angel of Death needed. That was all spelled out in the scan. It's an ability I have access to, because she's used it multiple times, under her own power.
Then I follow you. DA can dimension hop too if needed. I'm not quite sure what the ruling here is, but I thought dimensional teleportation was fine. But hanging out indefinitely in the Phantom Zone would likely constitute a self-BFR.
So if this is legal, I'll follow you, or hang out in the Astral Plane (a DA feat that was actually stated by Abhi earlier...I didn't think to bring it up, but thanks for the assist). Basically, somewhere outside your gaze. Because this is stupid, but if legal, I'll use it to my advantage just as much.
So much for your trump card.
So presumably, we both have teleportation. Ok, cool. Lost in all this is the fact that you never used it in your strategy. You don't have a plan for it, except to say that you have it.
This is a tourney, wherein we determine our team's strategy and employ our powers as we see fit. Your whole strategy has been to punch me. It's remarkably one-dimensional.
I'm still invisible, I can still absorb your attacks or block them, and I still have more power at my disposal.
Except Havok states that it's probably going to consume the planet. In this case, I trust his word over yours.
Oh god, this isn't right at all. They copied several powers, but rarely at full strength. ESPECIALLY for the more powerful heroes. Did they have Skrulls with Thor's powers? Sentry's? Half a dozen others with High Herald+ powers? Of course not. This was explicitly discussed in the arc, and your interpretation also defies common sense.
So I see the problem. Your assumption about Skrull copying misled you.
The scans of amping the Anti-Being were to show that she can amp those who absorb cosmic energy, as Havok does. Abhi had some weird tangent about his power level and how he was defeated, but that has no bearing on my strategy.
Phasing and Absorption
This is a big deal, and I haven't been clear enough on it.
To clear up a misconception, DA has two kinds of phasing. The first is more traditional; she can reduce the density of herself to phase through things: http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/340/t75v.jpg
So what does this mean? It means that, any time I want, I can simply "swallow" his attacks into my suit. Energy, punches, that impossible-too-pronounce virus thing Abhi keeps mentioning. Any of it. That's the power I possess, and why none of his attacks have any chance of doing lasting harm to my excellently defended amalgam.
Conclusion
- I'm as fast as he is, travel speed or reaction time.
- I have powerful shielding courtesy of two of my picks.
- I have an amped Havok that can continuously pour energy into Abhi's amalgam.
- He lacks any amps. He's got a couple bricks and can fly.
- All or most of Prometheus's tech was matchup-specific, and there's no guarantee any of it would work on me.
- His supposed trump card about the Phantom Zone is potentially illegal, and if it's legal I can hang out in the Astral Plane until he decides he wants to fight.
- I can shunt attacks into the Fabric of the Universe, by turning it into an Ultimo-sized portal that swallows anything I want it to.
- My energy can kill him, melt his tech, and annihilate him entirely. Prometheus never faced the city-sized blasts I'll be leveling at him, and nothing his amalgam can do will prevent it.
- Abhi;s been trying to discredit Angel the entire match. The early stuff is now invalid, and Abhi admitted that he accepts her as a pick. And the more recent stuff is cobbled together from a torrent file and an incomplete understanding of the character. I hope I've justified everything I've tried to do, because it's all legal and in her power set.
- Lastly, I have a more complete strategy, more avenues of attack, and more defenses in place. Abhi fought well, but his plan and drafts are lacking compared to mine. Vote for Digi.
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