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Darth Tenebrous Vs Mace Windu
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TenebrousWay
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"Well beyond" based on what?


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Geistalt
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Mace on the basis of feats.

Banite scaling doesn't mean jacksh*t.


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Deronn Solo
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Mace, yeah.


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Darth Thor
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Originally posted by thesithmaster
The movie contradicts it. The movie>Lucas. Whatever Lucas says about the movie isn't valid if the thing itself contradicts it.



You can say that about Filoni, but not Lucas. Star Wars was all him before Disney took over. So unless Disney has a sourcebook contradicting his statement, it still counts.
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Jaggarath
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Originally posted by TenebrousWay
"Well beyond" based on what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0r4jNhG9Z4


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Originally posted by Darth Thor
You can say that about Filoni, but not Lucas. Star Wars was all him before Disney took over. So unless Disney has a sourcebook contradicting his statement, it still counts.


The movie outright contradicts it. Isn't that enough? Lucas cannot override the movie, which was created not only by him, but by others.


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Prof. T.C McAbe
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I don't know why it's hard to understand that Mace is great against Dark Side users, they amp him so he can compete with them.


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Originally posted by thesithmaster
The movie outright contradicts it. Isn't that enough? Lucas cannot override the movie, which was created not only by him, but by others.

It means your interpretation is wrong. erm


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thesithmaster
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It means your interpretation is wrong. erm


My interpretation is wrong? How so? It's not very hard to see that Sidious had Mace at his mercy in fifteen seconds. Both combatants are stopped, Sidious' blade tip is right next to Mace's chest. The slightest thrust, Mace is dead. Mace has his saber next to his leg, so he can't get it up in time.

Sorry, Mace cannot compete with Sidious.


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Sidious having the upper hand in the early fight but Mace having it in the later fight is not mutually exclusive.

Just watch boxing.


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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Sidious having the upper hand in the early fight but Mace having it in the later fight is not mutually exclusive.

Just watch boxing.


Mace never had the upper hand. It was a perfect stalemate between a holding back Sidious and massively amped Mace.


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We're talking about the film, correct?

Mace isn't amped, and the argument that Sidious threw the fight does not exclude the notion Sidious was losing and would have been defeated.

Not that Mace is "amped" in the Legends version either, but that's a different story.


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What made the fight retarded was the Way how Sidious killed three of the best Masters in a second, randomly, Mace was lucky he wasn't chosen as the first target as he was unable to react, like the others.


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Originally posted by thesithmaster
The movie outright contradicts it. Isn't that enough? Lucas cannot override the movie, which was created not only by him, but by others.



Because he created the movie. Heck he created the whole Universe and the whole Canon (at the time). So it obviously isn't contradicting his statement. His statement is interpreting the film for us.

Lucas's statements were always G-Canon pre-Disney. It's for Disney (or Lucas) to Later contradict them otherwise they stand.
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Because he created the movie. Heck he created the whole Universe and the whole Canon (at the time). So it obviously isn't contradicting his statement. His statement is interpreting the film for us.

Lucas's statements were always G-Canon pre-Disney. It's for Disney (or Lucas) to Later contradict them otherwise they stand.


Yes, he created the movie, but if he enters in direct conflict with the source material itself, he does not override the source material that was created along with other people and is the highest thing in the canon hierarchy. Yes, he has authority, but not more canonicity than the movie itself. If the movie and Lucas contradict each other, we should go by the movie, which is the actual source material.


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Where does the movie say Mace didn't stand a chance, again?


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Originally posted by MythLord
Honestly, the "compete with Sidious" quote is likely to apply in terms of pure saber combat, which I think Tenebrous can definitely replicate.


1. Where does the quote specify saber combat?

2. What has Tenenbrous done to suggest to compete with Sidious as a duelist?
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Originally posted by TenebrousWay
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Plus, I doubt Sidious could replicate his choking of Dooku, someone who should be either a peer or in the general range of power of Windu, against Tenebrous.

Mace isn't tied to Dooku in anyway.

Additionally Tenebrous, like Plagueis, has jacksh!t giving him any sort of relativity with ROTS Sidious
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Originally posted by thesithmaster
Yes, he created the movie, but if he enters in direct conflict with the source material itself, he does not override the source material that was created along with other people and is the highest thing in the canon hierarchy. Yes, he has authority, but not more canonicity than the movie itself. If the movie and Lucas contradict each other, we should go by the movie, which is the actual source material.

Again, there is no contradiction.


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The dude who made this thread is the same guy who lead the forum Ant and I came from (SWF) who threatened to beat the shit out of Ant when Ant was 10, and blackmailed him into making a certain number of posts per day under threat of doxing him on porn websites.

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