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Sacred Fire
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You can't really just multiply their speed together for the answer, nothing supports an exponential increase like that to my knowledge.


It's mostly theoretical, like I said. The last time I looked at it, anyways.


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Originally posted by Sacred 117
I'd say Goku actually peaks at High Herald. SSJ2 Gogeta I'm not sure about. As for speed, just multiply the top speeds for both character and, in theory, you should have it. I would guess SSJ4 at roughly Transcendent, but I probably wouldn't put him beyond that. I see little reason to suggest differently.

Edit: Where does "Star Buster" put him?
Yeah you can't multiply speed like that. Bumping up from the best speed feats they have give his possible speed, and star busting as the greatest feat is DB is large planet busting, so as with speed a fair assumption says that is what it could be.

So many assumptions.. but yeah, the speed and destruction by itself means it fails to deals high herald. From the feats we have, that is.


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never actually saw GT but if he's anything like vegeto, mid herald sounds good.

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I cannot recall anything in DBZ that comes close to starbusting. no expression

I'm also beginning to think I may have undersold Luna and Celestia.


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Sacred Fire
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I've always safely assumed Goku to be High Herald (at peak). I can't see putting him much lower than that. In turn, the best thing you can do is scale Gogeta up from there. For collective Gogeta, I'd say High Herald or Transcendent. Though Trans may be pushing it depending on where Goku stands. I'm not sure where SSJ God puts him.


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well she was beat by chrysalis's love beam...

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Basically from calcs end of Z characters should be able to destroy a planet I believe 20 times that of Jupiter (sketchy calc, but meh), and by powerscaling seeing as SS1 GTGoku could do that, Gogeta here could too. But powerscaling doesnt allow assumptions, so possible star level is the best they'll every get.


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well she was beat by chrysalis's love beam...

That was just the icing on the crap writing cake of that episode, lol.

Season 1 Celestia and Luna were hardcore as ****. Discord was powerful enough to be a credible villain despite this, but Chrysalis just devoured so much love or something. Pet peeve.
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I've always safely assumed Goku to be High Herald (at peak). I can't see putting him much lower than that. In turn, the best thing you can do is scale Gogeta up from there. For collective Gogeta, I'd say High Herald or Transcendent. Though Trans may be pushing it depending on where Goku stands. I'm not sure where SSJ God puts him.

Thor and Superman are high heralds, no DBZ character exceeds them.


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babidii said you need 300 kili(or some other measurement) to destroy a planet, and that goku had much more. jut saying...

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Basically from calcs end of Z characters should be able to destroy a planet I believe 20 times that of Jupiter (sketchy calc, but meh), and by powerscaling seeing as SS1 GTGoku could do that, Gogeta here could too. But powerscaling doesnt allow assumptions, so possible star level is the best they'll every get.
Power scaling with DBZ doesn't work well, the series is pretty inconsistent.


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What specifically happened when Goku blasted Cooler into the sun (at SSJ1)? He appear to have destroyed the sun, but I wouldn't argue for it without knowing for sure. Otherwise, it seems purely exaggerated.


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That was just the icing on the crap writing cake of that episode, lol.

Season 1 Celestia and Luna were hardcore as ****. Discord was powerful enough to be a credible villain despite this, but Chrysalis just devoured so much love or something. Pet peeve.
Thor and Superman are high heralds, no DBZ character exceeds them.


Gogeta I'm still self-debating on; Goku wouldn't for certain, but that doesn't necessarily call for scaling Goku down. As said, some characters can exceed others within the same tier.


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Okay, to reach high herald goku would need his level of destruction, ftl speeds and many other powers and hax. He only has one of those traits and severely lacks two of them. He cannot be in this tier.


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what about goku with a bag of senzus?

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Senzus could give Goku an edge in an otherwise close fight, extending his ability to use his SSJ3 form or recover from a beat down ahead of his opponent. It would make no difference in a curb stomp battle like against Thor, though.


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If I recall correctly, any proper fusion achieved through the ritual was more powerful than a fusion by the earrings. Since it was a limited fusion, the power of the character was greater by factors, where as the earrings only generated a character with power of the sum.

Vegito = Vegeta + Goku

Gogeta = 4(Goku + Vegeta)


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Okay, to reach high herald goku would need his level of destruction, ftl speeds and many other powers and hax. He only has one of those traits and severely lacks two of them. He cannot be in this tier.


I'm still off on what qualifies as hax. Otherwise, TK, teleportation, sixth sense, mind reading, etc.


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Gogeta for High Herald.

High end DBZ characters can casually destroy planets. That's something most mid heralds can't do except for on their best days. And, well, Gogeta is well above most high end DBZ characters.

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I have no position on Gogeta or GT, but I think that's two votes for High Herald.

Sacred117 and Ares834.

One vote for mid

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I'm still speculative on ranks for Goku and Gogeta. Goku's rank will ultimately determine that.


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