Inconsistent outlier. We've seen older vampires ranging from Lexi, Katherine, Rose, Pearl, and Sage easily own Damon. Hybrids have more consistent showings; eg. Tyler fighting Klaus one-on-one better than any vampire we've seen including Marcel. Ray Sutton almost killing Damon, Tyler killing Nadia, Kimberly overpowering Caroline with ease etc.
If they are exerting hardly any force then it doesn't matter.
Because you brought up Hayley getting manhandled in the church.
Maybe you just don't have the best comprehension abilities. Let me sum it up. You said that I am ignoring that strength problem. But by talking about the OS weakening him or how his mindset prevented him from using the correct amount of strength I am addressing it. That was you mixing it up.
She was at his mercy for a little over 30 seconds. So right there you know he could have won the fight.
All of which wouldn't matter if we factor in him being weakened, and not trying, and plot. So you literally just wasted your time. It's not that I don't see that their is a huge gap. It sucks that even with handicaps and mentality that the fight went like that. But apparently they had to be detrimental enough.
>would be much easier if he wasn't offering much resistance
>and he could have blitzed her while she made her way over the railing since she moved at human speeds
>Lexi is actually proof that he was weakened just scroll down. Yet he had her at his mercy for 30sec.
She thwarted a non serious and weakened Mikael congrats.
>Lexi actually proves my theory if you look below
>All of that doesn't matter. Her relationship with Elijah is the biggest one in the series. She won't treat him like she treated them. Is that not obvious? Do you need more "Haylijah" scenes shoved down your throat?
Damn! Keyboard warrior and his insult! So real, so fierce!
>Which again can easily be attributed to her not wanting to hurt him.
>Unlike Rebekah, the males in her family don't show obvious signs of weakness and fatigue easily.
Your point? Mikael still took him down with one attack when he realized he couldn't be converted showing to move faster than Elijah could react this time. Which indicates a clear difference.
Which one again? And this^ says otherwise.
Let me ask you nice and slow. Just a one word answer. Is removing the wall between two rooms the same as having one room slowly crumble and effect the other?
Lexi is the only person we have seen fight from the OS while it was crumbling while being there for a long ass time. And she was so weak that she struggled to fight ****ing Markos. Who was only physically strong enough to beat Damon while channeling his entire coven which stopped upon his death.
30 seconds and lexi being a weak ass ***** says otherwise.
>Says he will take it as a "cloaked concession"
>will reply anyway clearly thinking otherwise
The zapping didn't weaken her. It merely caused her placenta to rupture, causing the baby to arrive sooner than expected.
Irony.
No need for that. I have my own summation of your theories: Fail.
It doesn't matter if she was at his mercy for 30 seconds or 30 days. A werewolf should in no way be capable of beating an Original. Unless of course one admits to the obvious fact that it was an inconsistent low showing.
Except it would, ya know, because every single word in this little tidbit of your post is a lie. Or an unproven claim.
Not sure what you're talking about.
I guess this is the closest you'll come to admitting that it was a horrible low showing for Mike the pussy Tyke.
>WTF are you talking about?
>He did blitz her, silly goose. She dodged him, beat him up and brought him to his knees.
>I haven't seen the latest TVD episode. However if what you're saying is true, then this actually further accentuates my point about this being a horrible inconsistency. Fighting a Damon-level character>>>getting beat up by a pregnant werewolf. And Lexi was far longer than Mikael was on the Other Side. Not to mention much younger and weaker in life since she was just a normal 300 year old vamp while he was an Original.
Anyways, I have seen Alaric's scene with Damon and Sheriff Forbes in a youtube clip, and he was portrayed as being far stronger than Damon since he could easily haul up the stone column which Damon couldn't. And he was on the OS almost as long as Mikael. Another large hole in your ridiculous theory.
False.
>Wrong, she actually brings this entire bullshit about ghosts being weakened by the OS in question. She was longer than Mikael on the OS, so she should have been far weaker yet she still fought a guy equal to a 150+ year old vamp. Alaric also completely unravels this awful and unproven hypothesis of yours.
>Yes it does. Their relationship was still in its infancy during that episode, and she warned Elijah not to get in her way when she was about to free her pack. Your non-sequiters are getting stupider by the minute. Not to mention that she knows that he can't be killed, so trying to defend herself would be logical to do, and in character for her considering what a b1tch she has been portrayed as on both shows.
I see my words hit a nerve with you.
Or the far more likely answer: she couldn't hurt him, even in his weakened state.
Can anyone be this much of an idiot? Rebekah had at least a dozen bite marks on her body. Genevieve specifically said: "You have an impressive amount of werewolf venom in your system."
Do you not realize what that means? Elijah on the other hand got KO'd by bites from just 2 werewolves. Heck, Klaus' little hate-nibble put him on the bed for the better part of a day. Rebekah on the other hand fought Klaus h2h despite having gallons worth of wolf poison coursing through her veins.
Hell, the venom in her blood was so concentrated that even Klaus(who is a walking talking werewolf antidote) coughed some up when Genevieve made him drink it to psi-link them.
Tell me again, what exactly is this sexist tirade regarding the Mikaelson males being supposedly more resilient than Rebekah(which is a total lie, mind you) have anything to do with...anything?
My comment was actually a reference to how far above Mikael is in comparison to your run of the mill Original. But I forget that I am talking to a guy who has yet to develop any concept of reading comprehension whatsoever.
The Klaus encounter. Despite toying with him and Klaus trying to fight back, Mikael had the upper hand throughout the confrontation. Even when his back was turned as he was feeding on Marcel, the 3 siblings didn't dare attack him.
It really doesn't.
How do you remove a wall between 2 rooms? By breaking/collapsing it down. Which more or less results in at least one roon getting wrecked, depending on the dexterity and physical integrity of said wall. Which basically doesn't have jack to do with either The Originals or The Vampire Diaries, but I felt that I needed to indulge your little thought experiment here.
I have already addressed your Lexi point two times in this post. I don't feel like repeating myself anymore.
Silly goose, me seeing your post as a cloaked concession isn't the same thing as me abdicating from the discussion. But I guess hoping for you to not make such a far-reaching and absurd conclusion is hoping that the Sun is made of cotton candy. Which is futility in and of itself.
Klaus easily killed 12 hybrids. Tyler had a weapon vs Klaus, and he still got owned.
And we've seen Damon own older vampires. He would have killed Tyler if Bonnie didn't stop him.
And I don't know why you keep bringing up Tyler vs Stefan, they didn't even fight. Stefan tries to restrain him from biting Caroline and Tyler rips his heart out. It's not like Tyler overpowered him.
Markos couldn't channel his entire coven upon death as the connection is broken. So he would be human level. And I was arguing for full power Mikael not being as shamed by this not that even with the handicaps that it wasn't a shitty showing.
But whatever you win. Though while I would argue on some point there is no point since I believe you got the vital points locked.
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He caught them off-guard and because he's Klaus. Both an Original and a hybrid. Tyler had a weapon that could do jacksquat to Klaus apart from pissing him off. He still managed to hold his own against a guy that can rip up 100+ vamps in the blink of an eye.
Only one single instance. Damon has been owned far more times by older vampires than he has overpowered them.
Because he had Mikael's white oak stake, and because Tyler wasn't actually trying to fight him. In a straight up fight, Damon was owned and almost killed by Sutton, a failed hybrid.
I bring it up because those are pretty much the exact same circumstances under which Stefan has made most of his hybrid kills. Do you not see the irony of him getting killed like a secondary character, by a hybrid of all things?
They were surprised he was there, but he didn't surprise attack them. Stabbing Klaus still makes him cry like a *****, apparently. He didn't hold his own lol.
Because he has gone up against all of them, it's still inconsistent like every other fight.
What? How does it being a white oak stake change anything? Actually, Tyler tried to fight him, that's why Damon was going to kill him. Tyler was helpless and Bonnie saved him, the stake didn't play a part in Damon beating him.
TVD doesn't care about powerlevels when they want something to happen.
WTF are you talking about? He clearly caught them at a severe disadvantage. The fight where Tyler(despite being less skilled than marcel, who also managed to hold off Klaus) beats down Klaus tells us otherwise.
Him getting owned by old vamps is inconsistent? Even though those are the majority instances?
The fact that he was going to use an Original-killing weapon on a hybrid makes this feat less impressive than what you're making it sound to be. Tyler tried to bite him, then Damon pushed him off and almost staked him, which is when Bonnie came in and mind-fried them both.
Which is what my f*cking point is. Young hybrids are on the same level as relatively oldish vampires. Anyone can kill anyone based on what the plot demands.
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It merely caused her placenta to rupture, causing the baby to arrive sooner than expected. 
