Nightwing has beaten a Superman at full power now? Without PIS or Kryptonite?
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Anyone thinking that Nightwing is incapable of even harming Liu Kang should probably check out his respect thread. Has Sonya or even Stryker ever canonically used their powers or guns/grenades to beat someone or even harm them? Those same guns and grenades would do very little to Killer Croc, someone the Bat Family fights and puts down on a regular basis.
Superman was a very high end example of a superpowered being in DC. Not saying Nightwing>Superman just pointing out the would Nightwing holds his own in
Yea, except the topic started on DC's no-powered types.
Uh, let me know when one of them hits a person with a hammer and they *explode*, or equivalent.
They have no-where near the physical strength of MK fighters. Reaching into someone and crushing an organ bare handed is not a rare move.
A grenade will do a number on 'em (aside from Clayface). Heck, guns still hurt Croc and some parts of Freeze's suit (like the dome).
And, notably, Batman goes to great lengths to not get hit by Croc, a hit from Croc really really hurts.
Basically, start with Croc's toughness and strength, plus some on top (note- Stryker uses guns and is pretty much the Punisher. He is considered a plotline *low-end* character for his high-end gun skills, everyone can take bullets). Up speed more, add lots of agility, give top-level martial arts ability (so it's not like, "oh, they may be strong and tough like Croc, but the Bats can outagile or outfight them." They're stronger and of equal or sometimes greater HtH skill). Then throw in supernatural chi powers.
Ok, well, Sonya has a kiss of death that can reduce someone to a skeleton. Liu Kang can turn into a dragon. They all fight people of obvious superhuman strength and ability, including but not limited to Liu beating a sorcerer/martial artists with the souls of a thousand warriors to draw on. And before you say, "But Q, Nightwing has beaten all kinds of powerful foes before!", I ask in return, in a martial arts battles? And the answer to that is, no. That's not how Batman and Nightwing beat powerful foes.
Now, could Batman or Nightwing prep something up in other circumstances? Sure, they do that. Some trap or something so they don't have to take them on. In a direct fight with just what they normally have, though? MK characters by-far outmatch them in HtH relevant abilities. Batarangs are annoyances next to the projectiles everyone uses, and everyone has significantly greater physical stats plus supernatural or cyborg powers.
Killer Croc eats grenades or they would be a minor annoyance to him unless you stuck one in his mouth and once again we're asking for canon scenes, not fatalities or just in game moves. A lot of the fatalities are highly exaggerated.
No one is saying that they wouldn't, we're just saying that the BF can and has hurt people purely physically who are superhuman and anyone who thinks that Dick can't hurt Liu Kang is selling him short. Croc also has the strength to rip out someone's heart, skeleton or whatever organ he sees fit.
Here's the thing tho. Most of their Fatalities are not canon and therefore cannot be used as proof. Neither are the X-Ray attacks. These guys can be killed by bullets and be taken out of commission by punches and kicks yet you believe they fracture eachother's skulls and crhave their organs cushed and are fine after? We have to look at things like cutscenes, canon storylines, and not just in fight moves or fininshes. And Sonya uses her gauntlets to fire her blasts and uses some kind of powder to blind opponents. That's gadgets.
Do i really need to bring up all the magic users and master martial artists in DC? I just don't see how Nightwing stands no chance.
And i wouldn't call a guy that can best Kintaro, one of the series' most powerful characters, weak or low teir.
Because Nightwing has never fought anyone with super powers and Raiden as Jugger said isn't nearly impressive at all. God is a title, nothing special, plenty of nongods would crush him. Batman and Nightwing have way better MA feats than those two.
Johnny Cage WRECKED several of Outworld's fighters. NW would do fine.
My point was throwing around the title "god" is kinda pointless here. Hell a non "god"(Superman) was trained by a mere human(Batman). The same Batman that trained Dick
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