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Darth Nihilus Vs Darth Sidious
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XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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No, because Vitiate can drain you right there in then. Palpatine's force storm is nowhere near instantaneous and wouldn't be of much help in a 1 on 1 encounter.


What does vitiate have to do with this? Palpatine could blitz nihilus before the latter can even react, Palpatine most definitely has a good chance of winning.

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I meant Nihilus. It's unclear whether Palpatine could blitz Nihilus before Nihilus eats him. The drain is pretty instantaneous.

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As is Palpatine's blitz. Palpatine can move at an insanely fast speed.


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Sidious knows the technique to block force drain. He taught it to Dooku who used it to activate the Dark Reaper and be safe from its effects. Ulic and Nomi also knew this technique.


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Yes, assuming Nihilus just stands there and waiting to get sliced. He has a better chance with his drain than Sidious does by blitzing him.

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The Jedi Sidious blitzed were still able to lift their lightsabers and prepare for him before he struck. I see no reason Nihilus won't be able to simply raise his hand and use the attack in the same way.


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Because Nihilus is as unknown as Vitiate in terms of lightsaber use? We know from his confrontation with meetra, that his first instinct is to drain his enemy, so I don't see him raising his blade before the confrontation ends. And yes, Sidious does know how to block the force drain technique as well.


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Now you're just trying to make things up. Just concede.

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Make what up? The Dark reaper is a weapon that drains your opponents of their life energies, like Nihilus. There's a technique that blocks it. Anakin mastered it when he was a padawan to destroy the dark reaper.


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um, what? I just don't see how Nihilus is stronger than Vitiate/sidious


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Unless you can prove the property's are the same, it's irrelevant. One type of drain isn't equal to another type of drain. Nihlus' drain is otherwordly and unless there's proof that it can be blocked (there isn't), move on.

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Because Nihilus is as unknown as Vitiate in terms of lightsaber use? We know from his confrontation with meetra, that his first instinct is to drain his enemy, so I don't see him raising his blade before the confrontation ends. And yes, Sidious does know how to block the force drain technique as well.


Lightsaber? He just has to raise his damn hand. Plus he's used the Force without even gesturing so he could slow Sidious down that way or possibly use the drain without even gesturing.

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Make what up? The Dark reaper is a weapon that drains your opponents of their life energies, like Nihilus. There's a technique that blocks it. Anakin mastered it when he was a padawan to destroy the dark reaper.


Oh, and Anakin taught him how to do it too huh?


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Actually, it's you who has to prove the types of drain are different. Drain works on the same principles, who or what performs it is irrelevant.


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"If Anakin knows how to do it, and Palpatine is more powerful than him, then Palpatine must know how to do it too!"

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Oh, and Anakin taught him how to do it too huh?


Anakin learned it from the spirit of Ulic qel-droma. Dooku learned it from Sidious.


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Actually, it's you who has to prove the types of drain are different. Drain works on the same principles, who or what performs it is irrelevant.

But this is untrue, because Vitiate's drain left the planet without the force, Nihilus' drain just leaves a wound in the force, etc. So looks like the onus is on you, not that it matters in this debate anyways.

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Anakin learned it from the spirit of Ulic qel-droma. Dooku learned it from Sidious.

Prove it.

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Anakin learned it from the spirit of Ulic qel-droma. Dooku learned it from Sidious.


No he didn't.


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There are different levels of power for drain, not different methods since they all do the same thing, which is well drain life energies. Vitiate>Nihilus in drain through that ritual of his. And Neph, yes he did.


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I meant that Dooku didn't learn it from Sidious.


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But he did. He learned it from Sidious which is why he can activate the Dark Reaper for a while without worrying about getting drained.


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