Talking about this here because I don't want to derail the ownage thread, but why are people saying that Supes's latest showings are bad? He didn't lose any fights as far as I can tell (haven't gotten to the comic shop this week yet). So what was the problem with the mongul fight and the fight with the new character?
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What I have read so far of NU Superman I Haven't really like it.
and is not really bad showings per say, but a lot of the new enemies are not established villains.
So there is no respect in getting into a fight with a no name villain.
Whose power level is mainly unknown and cannot be compared to other established characters.
Yeah, it sure seems that way. I mean, in the Mongul fight Supes says he could have killed Mongul in one punch if he wanted, and instead punches him 200 miles away. How can that possibly be a bad showing?
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Well in trinity war EVERYBODY is worried about Superman loosing control of his powers, so that is pretty clear picture of what the DC universe thinks about a rogue Superman.
They have to make everybody relevant in DCU otherwise there is no point having other heroes around and Superman has to pay for this.
But the for the DCU to worry about a rogue Superman is at least an indication of his power level when cutting loose.
Just got those comics today, and yeah, he doesn't lose any fights, and actually has some decent feats. In the Mongul fight he gets there, scans the area and sees that Bats is dead and a chick is an alien, grabs Mongul and flies off all in a thousandth of a second. Pretty decent speed feat wouldn't you say? In Action comics he has a knife fazed into his chest and basically acts like it's no big deal at all, a decent durability feat.
Yet somehow people are trying to make these into bad showings. It's pretty sad, to be honest.
*sigh* Did anyone read the new Superman/WonderWoman? Wow...they totally feebed out Superman in it. It's pretty much like a lot of us thought it was going to be. It was mentioned at least 3 times how Superman is very powerful, but untrained.
*spoilers*
So, Zod and Faora kicked the living crap out of Supes while Zod constantly mentioned that Supes is powerful but untrained. Then, WonderWoman shows up, and starts pounding on Zod and Faora. Then, zod apparently broke or messed up Supes's arm, and had a standoff with WW, threatening to kill Supes while and Wondy threatned to kill Faora. The comic ended with both of them releasing their prisoners.
Terrible. Just totally TERRIBLE. Supes was totally and utterly USELESS in that fight. Literally did nothing but get stomped while Wondy didn't take a single hit. Again, I'm getting awfully tired of the NU52 version of Supes being nothing but a punching bag.
So, why does everyone think this is? It really does seem like DC kinda has it out for Supes sometimes. The only way this last showing could be worse is if they had Supes crying and clutching at Wondy's leg while pointing at the big bad man who beat him up.
Honestly, I don't think there's any large conspiracy; I just think Superman has been stuck with a bunch of people that just couldn't, or wouldn't, write him properly.
Lobdell tries to make him look powerful, but completely ****s up the characterisation.
Soule... Yeah, not even gonna touch that.
Pak? Just weird.
Snyder? Huge disappointment, and just doesn't seem to "get" the character at all. Honestly felt like he hadn't been reading enough back issues.
lol Soule's book is one of the better books in the New 52. I'm as big a Superman fan as they come but not every book has to suck his dick. It's perfectly fine. The other titles who should give him spotlight are doing it a lot worse.
Diana got wtfpwned by Doomsday too so that argument is invalid. And Supes was clearly holding back too. In fact Soules is the only one in the New 52 that used a sundip and he ****ed Apollo up.
There's nothing wrong with making Diana look good. You can do it without making Superman look bad at the same time. I'm not asking that he be the most powerful guy in every book, but at least have some consistency with the established reboot.
As Pr said, you don't have to make Supes look bad to make WW look good. That last showing was just embarrassing to say the least, and it is part of a larger trend that's been happening with Supes in the DCnu. he just keeps getting his ass kicked by everyone all the time. This last one is another in a long line of terrible showings. He looked absolutely worthless in that fight.
Also, not wanting Supes to look absolutely pathetic DOES NOT EQUAL sucking his dick. Come on now.
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