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Revan vs The Hero of Tython
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Revan had no other way of handling said thunderstorm. He couldn't stop it with his saber (or he'd end up like the Jedi strike team from JK story Act II) and he couldn't close the distance fast enough to stop the assault, and if you know how the radius of a Force Storm is it'd be pretty hard to dodge. Absorption was his best option, and he wasn't powerful enough to handle the energies.


For whatever reason Vitiate never conjured a Force storm in his battle with the Fugly Hero like he did against Revan. Hmm, I wonder why, maybe he wasn't really at his best - maybe Lord Scourge spent decades studying his weaknesses for a f^cking reason.

Jeezuz.


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For whatever reason Vitiate never conjured a Force storm in his battle with the Fugly Hero like he did against Revan. Hmm, I wonder why, maybe he wasn't really at his best - maybe Lord Scourge spent decades studying his weaknesses for a f^cking reason.

Jeezuz.
So, tell me, elaborate, was HoT weakened in their fight???

It's pretty much said that he was by Vitiate, or is that not a valid point?


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Revan had no other way of handling said thunderstorm. He couldn't stop it with his saber (or he'd end up like the Jedi strike team from JK story Act II)


Proof?


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Proof?
He tried, and failed, to absorb it.


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He tried, and failed, to absorb it.


Reread what I quoted....


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Stop calling him hot, it's gay, it's irritating, will you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit Jesus Christ please stop this nonsense. No one has never been wanked to his extent ever in existence. Goddamn.

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So, tell me, elaborate, was HoTFUGLY weakened in their fight???


Completely ****ing irrelevant, totally irrelevant. Unequivocally irrelevant. Either way, it was never demonstrated that he was any less than normal.

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It's pretty much said that he was by Vitiate, or is that not a valid point?
F^ck no. As demonstrated, Vitiate's statement was just that, perhaps made as a desperate effort to instill doubt in Fugly. Kinda like when he told Fugly that he lacked the force of will to harness his powers. Either way, Vitiate was most definitely, demonstrably weakened.

Yoda fought Dooku in a dark side nexus and still was not significantly weakened by it. Dooku's powers were unaffected by his battles with Anakin and Obi-wan before going toe to toe with Yoda. There is the thing, there's no reason to assume he did not regain his base levels after cutting down the Temple guard.


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Stop calling him hot, it's gay, it's irritating, will you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit Jesus Christ please stop this nonsense. No one has never been wanked to his extent ever in existence. Goddamn.



Completely ****ing irrelevant, totally irrelevant. Unequivocally irrelevant. Either way, it was never demonstrated that he was any less than normal.

F^ck no. As demonstrated, Vitiate's statement was just that, perhaps made as a desperate effort to instill doubt in Fugly. Kinda like when he told Fugly that he lacked the force of will to harness his powers. Either way, Vitiate was most definitely, demonstrably weakened.
So even after fighting through Kaas City, he stayed the same? After fighting the Imperial Guard.


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So even after fighting through Kaas City, he stayed the same? After fighting the Imperial Guard.
And recovering his personal Force reservoir, yes. It's not like he got tagged or sustained any damage that might impair him.


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Proof?

Lightsabers become ineffective when Vitiate ups his game with Force lightning. He effortlessly disarmed the entire Jedi Strike Team with his FLS on his Space Station.

Heck, Vitiate's apprentice destroyed the lightsaber itself (of her opponent) with her Force lightning. Malgus also have a feat (or feats) of overwhelming lightsaber based defenses with his FLS.

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As far as Revan vs. Vitiate is concerned; yes, Revan was utterly outgunned. Vitiate was initially not taking him seriously but when he did, it was over. If T3-M4 had not helped Revan, the Jedi Master would have been utterly destroyed by Vitiate. However, Vitiate changed his plan at the last moment and decided to use Revan as a source of information on The Republic.

I think that the author went out of his way to respect Revan during his clash with Vitiate for the sake of keeping fans happy.

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Oh my God. laughing Great for HoT, now moving on to the actual topic:


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Very very very clear, Vitiate was a Sith Pureblood (not a Red Sith, he had some human) with black eyes. That was a human with red eyes and no sign of being even remotely Sith.


the emperor was a pureblood, but after so many centuries of life he has little in common with ordinary Sith.

Darkside corruption turns a Sith Purebloods skin white. After millennia its entirely possible he was turned entirely a different color in terms of skin.

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What's the evidence? He looks like Sidious, the dude he's based off of?


One of the lead writers for SWTOR flat out says it was Vitiates real body. wink

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Based on the fact that Vitiate's original body was immortal, and any other body he transferred into would be mortal, but unable to withstand the powers he uses - making him far more limited in battle.


Wrong, The Emperor's Voice suffered no such effects. Furthermore, if that was Vitiates Voice then he could not possibly have occupied it long enough for have it suffer, since the Wrath kills his Voice very shortly before Vitiates fight with the Hero. If it was a new one the HoT fought, it would be very new.

However, theres no indication that the Voice is limited in that way. SWTORE says 'The Voice also wields the Emperor's incredible power and is capable of striking down any who displease him." No mention is made of that power being limited.


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HoT > Vitiate > Revan /thread.


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HoT > Vitiate > Revan /thread.

No,

This is canon ranking:

Vitiate > HoT

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"The Emperor lies beaten at your feet. For all his power, he was no match for you."

Your questlog updates to say that after you beat him.


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I say Hero of Tython in a near stompage fight, since Vitiate generally stomped Revan after all Revan did was block one of his bolts back at him and send him across the room.


You shouldn't even be allowed to have that signature. You disgust Revan fans everywhere. mad


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HoT > Vitiate > Revan /thread.
Vitiate>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Revan>Fugly.

****ing retards, literally, you are all completely retarded. Scourge exploited a weakness.

Someone permaban Neph now that Fugly has two more votes.


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Which weakness did Scourge exploit?


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4 Points:

1. Vidiot couldn't summon a Force storm in that state. Prof me wrong, retards.

2. Fugly was not in a weakened state, there's no reason to assume he didn't have time to regain his Force reserves between his battle with the guards and his battle with Vidiot. There is no statement or quote anywhere that claims that the dark temple weakened him during that battle. Furthermore, Vidiot was trying to break his confidence, saying his compassion for Kira weakened him, and that he lacked the will to harness his power.

3. Lord Scourge, having long studied Vidiot's weaknesses, claimed that the Emperor would be weakened in preparation for his ritual - not that he was currently weakened. True, Scourge said he would recover quickly, but there's no evidence that he recovered all of his strength before his battle with Fugly.

4. Vidiot's form did not have pure black eyes, he did not remotely resemble a Sith Pureblood - and having something in common=/=being the same species, and Karpyshyn never claimed that was his original body on his Twitter Account.

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4 Points:

1. Vidiot couldn't summon a Force storm in that state. Prof me wrong, retards.


Perhaps not (or perhaps he did), though he didn't summon a Force storm in his battle with Revan either, so its inconsequential for a comparison between the two.

He still had access to Force Lightning, and was powerful enough still to collapse the Dark Temple after his defeat, so whatever.

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2. Fugly was not in a weakened state, there's no reason to assume he didn't have time to regain his Force reserves between his battle with the guards and his battle with Vidiot. There is no statement or quote anywhere that claims that the dark temple weakened him during that battle. Furthermore, Vidiot was trying to break his confidence, saying his compassion for Kira weakened him, and that he lacked the will to harness his power.


The HoT couldn't afford to spend time resting before confronting Vitiate. Scourge stressed pointedly that they couldn't give Vitiate time to recover, which resting would do. Vitiate also directly says that the Hero has been weakened in getting to him if he rescues Kira/Doc. Again, if such a small detour (they are literally one room away from the entrance to Vitiate) depleted the Hero that much, I see no reason why the entire mission wouldn't affect him.

There doesn't need to be a statement about the Hero being weakened by the temple. The Dark Temple is canonically a potent darkside nexus. Lightsiders are weakned while on a darkside nexus and find it harder to draw on the lightside there. Darksiders can draw on a darkside nexus to increase there own power and we already have evidence indicating Vitiate was drawing on the nexus (else why would he be there?)

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3. Lord Scourge, having long studied Vidiot's weaknesses, claimed that the Emperor would be weakened in preparation for his ritual - not that he was currently weakened. True, Scourge said he would recover quickly, but there's no evidence that he recovered all of his strength before his battle with Fugly.


Agreed.

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4. Vidiot's form did not have pure black eyes, he did not remotely resemble a Sith Pureblood - and having something in common=/=being the same species, and Karpyshyn never claimed that was his original body on his Twitter Account.


No, you dork! I told you to just read my profile (by clicking on my name in my posts) for the evidence it was really Vitiates true body, not that Karpyshans twitter post was that proof. I'll just re-post the evidence:

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Thanks for the support.

I didn't really know where to put this but this thread is basically the Vitiate thread anyway so: Skip to 27.00. "The Jedi Knight defeats the Emperor at the end, and the Emperor's body does die.

Looks like its almost certain that the person the Hero of Tython defeated at the end of the the game was indeed the Emperors real body (but he then strongly indicates that Vitiate probably survives). Also this thread has strong evidence that way. So yeah, great feat for the HoT and clears that up a bit imo.


You can check the start of the audio to see that the person talking is a lead writer for TOR.

Vitiate having black eyes as a baby is irrelevant. You claim to be a star wars fan and you don't even know that the darkside can change a persons eye color? And in the case of a Sith Pureblood, it turns their eyes red:

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Nepedophile, keep Drew fat by wasting your money on your SWTOR account.


I'm not paying for TOR at the moment. I'm getting all the pleasure for none of the cost. wink


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4. Vidiot's form did not have pure black eyes, he did not remotely resemble a Sith Pureblood - and having something in common=/=being the same species, and Karpyshyn never claimed that was his original body on his Twitter Account.


That's actually a really good point...

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the emperor was a pureblood, but after so many centuries of life he has little in common with ordinary Sith.

Darkside corruption turns a Sith Purebloods skin white. After millennia its entirely possible he was turned entirely a different color in terms of skin.


So when Drew says something that agrees with your argument you use it as evidence but when it doesn't it's non-canon...


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That's actually a really good point...


It is a good point, and its really the only thing that casts any doubt on it really being him. However, I've explained that away the potential inconsistency. Its simply from centuries of darkside corruption. His body was turned white and his eyes red just like any Siths is in TOR with full corruption.


Plus I'm pretty sure Scourge would have been able to tell if it wasn't Vitiate, either when he was talking to the HoT via holocall or if they talked afterwards.

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So when Drew says something that agrees with your argument you use it as evidence but when it doesn't it's non-canon...


Drew was very specific to deny any claims to canon when he was talking about Vitiates mental abilities. Not so in that twitter post. Plus I don't actually need that as proof. Its merely showing where my explanation comes from. Vitiate being intensely corrupted doesn't need confirmation.

In fact, that the Vitiate we see in Doomsday was clearly corrupted at all is almost proof that it was really him. Both other times we've seen the Emperor's Voice (in the comic and in the Warrior storyline), it hasn't suffered from any corruption. Yet the man in the Dark Temple was corrupted, despite the fact that if it was the Voice, he would have been in possession of it a lot less than in the previous two cases.

I think its obvious that it was him.


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