Yes he did, it was the attack that deepfried Revan, Hero would be crushed by that same attack, if Vitiate wasn't in such a weakened form. That's why it's such a blow to your delusions of grandeur.
So what!? Do you know how powerful he was, see: DE Sidious and Darth Nihilus.
Dooku engaged in a Force battle with Grand Master Yoda not one minute after owning Obi-Wan and Anakin.
It's not the same. Vitiate was preparing to absorb all Biota in the entire freaking galaxy, Hero was brawling Temple guards. Get Hero of Tythoon's wank-juice out of your ears.
So a statement from a treacherous Sith Lord who is known to make another statement about Hero's inability to harness his power is infallible proof?
He wasn't running into the Emperor's throne room, he was strutting along at a moderate pace, it doesn't take long to regain one's composure.
Says the desperate Sith Lord who's in a severely weakened form.
So was the planet in which Yoda faced Dooku in their second encounter, Yoda was not weakened and he did not have trouble accessing his powers.
We have no idea what Vitiate was doing to prepare for the annihilation of all life in the galaxy.
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Yes, a body was destroyed. But was it his original, immortal body? Yet again, there's an absence of evidence. Either way, that's just icing on the cake, as Vitiate was extraordinarily weakened - and the notion that Hero was not weakened is just more of a bonus. Either way, Hero's victory over a most definitely weakened Vitiate is a 100% unquantifiable feat that does not help his case against Revan. His potential might, but there's absolutely zero reason to assume he unlocked it during the events of TOR.
Meetra beat a weakened Nihilus, Hero beat a weakened Vitiate, and pre-JA Luke beat a weakened Sidious.
It wasn't just his irises, there were no whites in his eyes, the eyes were a total void. If that's not the result of early dark side corruption I don't know what is. Just like Palpatine being an infant with unnatural strength, or Tenebrae, speaking in a voice unnaturally deep for his age, like Sidious in ROTS.
Oh, but you are still wasting hours and hours on an unproductive MMO game you've already finished to completion (most likely as multiple Imp and Pub classes)???
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That doesn't really count as a Force Storm, but whatever. Who knows, maybe he did use that attack during the fight. Or perhaps the Hero of Tython just wasn't dumb enough to let him charge up his best attack like Revan was.
Being able to destroy a huge temple is still pretty damn powerful dude. On those two's levels imo.
So? That doesn't mean he wasn't a bit weakened from his exertion. He does pant a little before Yoda comes in.
Plus Dooku fought two people, whereas the Hero fought through an entire city and a small army of the best soldiers in the galaxy.
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No, he wasn't. He'd already tried to absorb all the galaxy and failed.
"You’ve learned that the Emperor is on Dromund Kaas, temporarily weakened by your efforts thwarting his plan for galactic annihilation. Striking at him now is your best chance to defeat him once and for all."
He's weakened because he'd already tried to perform that ritual and it didn't work. But he was recovering after that. All throughout the invasion of Dromund Kaas and the attack on the Dark Temple the Emperor was recovering his strength.
I'm not taking it as infallible proof. Merely an indication of what is logically true. A Jedi isn't a god. They get tired from fighting and exhaust their power. The Hero fighting through so many people logically would experience this.
Charging headfirst into the throne room would be idiotic, in case the Emperor prepared for her. Other than that Scourge specifically say sthey have to move as wuickly as possible to prevent the Emperor from regaining his strength.
That he doesn't say it if you don't go indicates he wasn't just making it up.
How do you know Yoda was not weakened a bit? Plus the Dark Temple is much more potent than Vjun.
He wasn't. He was just recovering his strength.
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Yes, it was him. Confirmed by a lead writer, so no absence of evidence here.
He was also amped by the Dark Temple so it evens out.
The Hero was weakened. And she was probably near her full potential at the end. She was rapidly coming into her power, as is noted by Scourge when he claims that he could have beat her the first time they met, but that she's improved drastically since then (a short amount of time) to the point where she beats him somewhat easily.
After which she also receives training on Vitiates fortress for a lengthy period of time.
Proof that Vitiate had no whites? I've never seen that.
Naw, I've only finished five of the classes. I still have Trooper, Warrior and Bounty Hunter to go.
tbh even by the end of act 2 HoT may be more powerful. Lord Scourge at this point may have been as powerful as Revan. His potential is hinted at by Revan in his novel, plus he has the extra experience and skill.
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Probably only as powerful. I mean, Vitiate did beat the Hero and 3 other Jedi at the same time with a single attack. Sure, he's gotten more powerful since Revan, but I wouldn't put the Act II Hero above Revan based on that showing.
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I don't know, how their actions even compare.
According to ingame information as well as the SWTOR Encyclopedia, Vitiate had stored part of his power in:
in his original body
in his Voice
in the Emperor's Wrath (and Scourge)
in the 12 hands
in hundreds of his children.
So, logically, Vitiate as he appears in SW:ToR has to be by far weaker than the Vitiate Revan faced. And then, he is even more weakened by the failed ritual when the HoT finally defeats him (with assistance of T7).
And then, you always make it sound, as if everything the HoT has done was done by him alone. Going by the fact, that he always had assistance, - ranging from the aforementioned R2(demigod)-like T7 through a Child-of-the-Emperor kum Jedi Knight and, finally, the immortal Lord Scourge - one can't attribute everything just to him. Much like it wasn't Revan alone who did every heroic deed in KotoR. And the same goes for Meetra in KotoR 2.
Hmm, I don't think this is true. According to this:
"For centuries, the Emperor's Voice has delivered the Sith leader's commandments to his servants. In fact, to converse with the Emperor's Voice is to have an audience with the Emperor himself, whose power and consciousness have been placed within the Voice's body."
And SWTORE says the same thing. So by all rights, Vitiates power is held within his Voice when he is occupying it. He isn't splitting it between the two bodies.
Not true, Vitiate doesn't grant power to the Emperor's Wrath (that is, the Sith Warrior class). As for Scourge, his martial ability was boosted by the Emperor, but I highly doubt its something that requires a constant portion of Vitiates power, rather than improving him with sorcery in some way. Like for instance how Talzin improved Savage Opress. If it was a constant boost though I also don't see why Vitiate wouldn't sever it after Scourge betrayed him.
Again, not true. In fact the encyclopedia indicates that Vitiate draws power from them instead of the other way around.
Eh, this is the only accurate one you named. However, many of the Children were killed in the Consular storyline, including the First Son and they were thus revealed to the Republic, which likely lead to more of them being killed.
Also it only says that they 'share' a portion of his power, so its entirely possible that they are merely drawing on his power like the Imperial Guard does when near him. Also since the connection between he and them is always open I don't see why he couldn't draw on their power should he need to.
I disagree. Vitiates power is stated in SWTORE to be ever increasing, not diminished. Furthermore he's been draining power from Revan for 300 years since his capture, again indicating an increased amount of power. And he's drawing power (and vitality) from the 12 Hands you mentioned. The only possible draw on his power IMO is from the Children and that is nebulous and arguable.
A fair comment, but the Hero's actions were always attributed to them in the game so thats how I presented it. I also don't think her companions contributions were that notable, with the possible exception of Scourge when he joins.
Kira is never shown drawing on the power of an Emperor's Child. We see in the Consular campaign that a Child is a completely different personality and being to their host, so I see no reason why she would be able to. Furthermore, she's an unfinished one anyway, as Vitiate notes, after calling her weak.
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If that's true, then by those standards, after 300 years of being constantly tortured, Revan should be on his level, shouldn't he? I mean if he was ALREADY weakened over the years by storing his power in different bodies (basically what you side) on top of the weakened state he was in during his fight with the Hero of Tython, why couldn't Revan storm in there with Scourge and while HoT and Scourge are fighting the imperial strike team, Revan uses Tutaminis against him after he tries to use his weakened force storm, and crushes him. Come to think of it, by that logic, alot of people should be far ahead of him during the events of TOR, including Satele, and the Jedi Strike Team that was supposed to assassinate him. Oh wait, they didn't? No? No, because they couldn't. Because Vitiate was too powerful.
Exactly my point, if Vitiate was so weak (According to the dullard's posting) then how come Revan couldn't take him? Revan's power increased within the 300 year gap between "Revan" and "SW:TOR" and according to everyone, Vitiate was weakened immensely, so why couldn't Revan take him? And my answer to that is... Because he wasn't strong enough, he was too weak to defeat Vitiate on his own, something HoT had no trouble doing.