Q99
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The thing is, most people underestimate supernovas by a lot .
In a comic, it's normally just some explosion.
In real life, a supernova going off where the sun is while you're on earth would be worse than touching an atomic bomb when it's going off... by nine orders of magnitude .
There's that much power.
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Dec 12th, 2013 05:45 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by dmills
Maaaan. Big phucking ditto on "healing factors" reversing the effects of transmutation. Only of slightly lessor annoyance is a person resisting powerful TP via "will power" or "rage". I've always thought of powerful tp as complete domination of a victims neurons etc. WTF does "will power" have to do with countering that?
As for black holes and exploding stars etc. If I were editor in chief @ Marvel or DC, no one short or skyfather is surviving shit like that unless they have some sort of power set advantage. It just phucks up any of the suspension of disbelief limits that I have reserved for comic book entertainment.
Dude, what about GALAXY busting attacks? Because Vision and WM survived one.
Think about it, as awesomely powerful as super novas are, they are "only" responsible for creating solar systems. A GALAXY contains hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of solar systems. The power necessary to bust a galaxy is mind boggling, yet Vision and WM survived!
Man, all this is pissing me off. I just want to walk up to a classmate and punch them in the face.
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Haha makes you not even wanna read comics sometimes.
Dec 12th, 2013 05:55 PM
Rao Kal El
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by zopzop
Man, all this is pissing me off. I just want to walk up to a classmate and punch them in the face.
Sometimes I wonder how much science do writers know
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Dec 12th, 2013 06:00 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
I would like to point out that Supes never took a 50x supernova to the face:
http://i.imgur.com/asxKmH4.jpg
The absolute most you could argue is that he withstood the electromagnetic shockwave generated by the explosion-- but the radiation itself(the particularly dangerous part of the blast) never actually touched him before he was saved. If it had, Supes would have been "incinerated."
That said, I do believe he can survive a supernova. He's certainly not going to tank it, mind you... But he would survive.
Yeah, damn - I recalled that feat being much more impressive :-|
But didn't he still take regular supernovas unharmed, yet knocked out? Wasn't there a Suneater-explosion, which left him unharmed, but knocked him out and sent him flying back in time or some crazy crap like that?
Dec 12th, 2013 06:02 PM
Galan007
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Wait a sec... You mean to tell me that comic books don't always conform to real world science/physics!?
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Dec 12th, 2013 06:05 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Q99
The thing is, most people underestimate supernovas by a lot .
In a comic, it's normally just some explosion.
In real life, a supernova going off where the sun is while you're on earth would be worse than touching an atomic bomb when it's going off... by nine orders of magnitude .
There's that much power.
I once read that if a supernova went off 1 light year from Earth, it would still be powerful enough to obliterate every planet/celestial object in our solar system... So basically it's a solar system buster at least .
Dec 12th, 2013 06:13 PM
Q99
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Enzeru
Yeah, damn - I recalled that feat being much more impressive :-|
But didn't he still take regular supernovas unharmed, yet knocked out? Wasn't there a Suneater-explosion, which left him unharmed, but knocked him out and sent him flying back in time or some crazy crap like that?
That wasn't a supernova, that was a normal star.
Oh yea, that's another thing- comics do call any star exploding a 'supernova'. 90% of the time, it really would just be a normal nova. Much smaller and more reasonable.
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Rao Kal El
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
Wait a sec... You mean to tell me that comic books don't always conform to real world science/physics!?
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No they do, only that light in the DCU light travels way faster than light in the real world as Wally West and the narration confirm it
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Dec 12th, 2013 06:13 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
Wait a sec... You mean to tell me that comic books don't always conform to real world science/physics!?
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It's not so much about conformity to "rwp", as it is about suspension of disbelief. Sometimes even "it's comics" isn't enough to circumvent that lol.
Dec 12th, 2013 06:16 PM
Galan007
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Oh I agree. Sometimes the crap they write is SO stupid that it's hard to even give it the benefit of the doubt, fictional or not.
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Q99
In real life, a supernova going off where the sun is while you're on earth would be worse than touching an atomic bomb when it's going off... by nine orders of magnitude .
Understatement of the year.
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Dec 12th, 2013 06:35 PM
TheGodKiller02
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The thing is that in Marvel at the very least, this sort of stupidity can either by overlooked or ignored at least as far as people with the X-gene are concerned, seeing how the Celestials designed it to have reality warping functions per Galacta.
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Some of them might just live due to their immortality like Juggernaut, Thanos when Death doesn't want to die, Captain Marvel in post crisis due to his magical regeneration. Superman is probably going to get amped by a super nova IMO.
Realistically none of them should, but they will surivie because comics.
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Dec 13th, 2013 01:15 AM
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But Thanos survived against a Black Hole, Planet Explosions (one of then KOed a guy who withstand a Star Explosion), Skyfathers attacks...cant see why a Supernova would "realistically" kill him.
Dec 13th, 2013 01:50 AM
abhilegend
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
I would like to point out that Supes never took a 50x supernova to the face:
http://i.imgur.com/asxKmH4.jpg
The absolute most you could argue is that he withstood the electromagnetic shockwave generated by the explosion-- but the radiation itself(the particularly dangerous part of the blast) never actually touched him before he was saved. If it had, Supes would have been "incinerated."
That said, I do believe he can survive a supernova. He's certainly not going to tank it, mind you... But he would survive.
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As for Torch, it's like others have said: the heat wouldn't hurt him(he's withstood Planck temperature, after all), but the shockwaves/planetary debris and so forth would probably kill him.
He absolutely did, he was at the center when entropy bomb went off and he was blasted back.
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Dec 13th, 2013 03:11 AM
abhilegend
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Q99
That wasn't a supernova, that was a normal star.
Oh yea, that's another thing- comics do call any star exploding a 'supernova'. 90% of the time, it really would just be a normal nova. Much smaller and more reasonable.
That sun eater had absorbed energy of several suns and it all imploded as he was at the center of sun eater. It was more than a sun getting supernova.
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