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Smaug vs. Balrog

Fight takes place in a wide open area which is indestructible.


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Based on ?


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Based on ?


Common phuckin sense!

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Common phuckin sense!
Explain it. Shouldn't be too hard since you are common.


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3 out of the 7 Smaug could probably take out - that includes the one in Moria. The Balrogs of Morgoth were Maiar spirits just like Sauron, but of the Ainur the Valar were the masters of the Maiar - and of the 12 Valar Melkor was the greatest, and he gave unto the creation of the Dragons portions of his power.

Gothmog decimates, Gothmog the Balrog Leader could probably at least put up a fight against Ancalagon, the mightiest of the winged dragons whose creation expended a great deal of Morgoth's last powers. But, ultimately, the dragons were greater in strength.


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Common phuckin sense!


He doesn't have any. Welcome to KMC.


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Re: Smaug vs. Balrog

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Fight takes place in a wide open area which is indestructible.


Balrog.

(subject to change if Smaug happens to do something amazing in the 3rd film that isn't in the book)


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Balrog.

(subject to change if Smaug happens to do something amazing in the 3rd film that isn't in the book)
Based on what ?


What did the Balrog do that was so amazing ? Saruman bested Gandalf the Grey yet he beat the thing to death solo.


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Balrog wins.

Fire won't do shit to Durin's Bane, and the last thing Smaug wants to do is manfight it in CQC.


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Balrog wins.

Fire won't do shit to Durin's Bane, and the last thing Smaug wants to do is manfight it in CQC.
Smaug's teeth and sheer size advantage will be the difference here. Fire won't do shit to Smaug either.


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Smaug has the strength, agility and speed advantage - apart from one scale he's faaar more durable. I don't see the Balrog of Moria being able to exploit the scale as his weapons are too large, he's slower and less agile. :/

I'm also unsure of that Balrog's ability to tank Smaug's fireballs.


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Balrog wins.

Fire won't do shit to Durin's Bane, and the last thing Smaug wants to do is manfight it in CQC.


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Cant see Gandalf phuckin up Smaug.

Balrog is definetly gazillion times more badass.


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Based on what ?


What did the Balrog do that was so amazing ? Saruman bested Gandalf the Grey yet he beat the thing to death solo.


Based on actually watching Fellowship, Two Towers, Unexpected Journey and Desolation of Smaug and going with screen feats.

Balrog has better feats (thus far): Surviving a multi-kilometer fall, battling Gandalf for days. Finally dying from an lightning-charged magical sword. Gandalf said Durin's Bane was beyond any of the Fellowship crew, which are some of the best fighters humanity, elves and dwarven kind have to offer.

Now, what did Smaug do/feats are you basing your Smaug > Balrog on? Or are you once again basing your argument on your Benedict Cumberbatch man-crush.


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Based on actually watching Fellowship, Two Towers, Unexpected Journey and Desolation of Smaug and going with screen feats.

Balrog has better feats (thus far): Surviving a multi-kilometer fall, battling Gandalf for days. Finally dying from an lightning-charged magical sword. Gandalf said Durin's Bane was beyond any of the Fellowship crew, which are some of the best fighters humanity, elves and dwarven kind have to offer.

Now, what did Smaug do/feats are you basing your Smaug > Balrog on? Or are you once again basing your argument on your Benedict Cumberbatch man-crush.
Saruman beat Gandalf in a few minutes. laughing out loud

Balrog has no exceptional feats. Smaug decimated a town in no time. He has withstood being immerses in gold all over his body. Smaug destroyed parts of the castle easily. His fire also seems vastly more impressive than Balrog's which was blocked by Gandalf the Grey.


Watch the films. Decimating a town and what I already said on top of the size and mobility advantage. Balrog went down to someone Saruman beat it a few minutes.


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Saruman beat Gandalf in a few minutes. laughing out loud

Balrog has no exceptional feats. Smaug decimated a town in no time. He has withstood being immerses in gold all over his body. Smaug destroyed parts of the castle easily. His fire also seems vastly more impressive than Balrog's which was blocked by Gandalf the Grey.

Watch the films. Decimating a town and what I already said on top of the size and mobility advantage. Balrog went down to someone Saruman beat it a few minutes.


A red herring tactic smile

Ignoring the Balrog's feats is not proper debating, Quanchi. There is nothing to suggest that the Balrog couldn't destroy a human town in turn, if "burning a town down" is the maker now.

Smaug was damaged by what is essentially a ballista bolt and [SPOILER - highlight to read]: dies from one in the 3rd film smile Balrog's weapons would hurt Smaug.

So you have no real feats and are basing your argument on which character you like more and well your known man-crush. Granted, Smaug
is a much more likeable character, but that's not a proper MvF argument.


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A red herring tactic smile

Ignoring the Balrog's feats is not proper debating, Quanchi. There is nothing to suggest that the Balrog couldn't destroy a human town in turn, if "burning a town down" is the maker now.

Smaug was damaged by what is essentially a ballista bolt and [SPOILER - highlight to read]: dies from one in the 3rd film smile Balrog's weapons would hurt Smaug.

So you have no real feats and are basing your argument on which character you like more and well your known man-crush. Granted, Smaug
is a much more likeable character, but that's not a proper MvF argument smile
An old wizard beat him in a few minutes with tk attacks.


Except he didn't. Smaug did. We don't talk about what ifs we talk about facts. Debate like a man.

A special weapon designed to pierce him with the speed Balrog doesn't have to inflict the damage.


I just went over the feats. You said Balrog could have which means he doesn't have the feats Smaug has. I could care less who is more likeable you woman. Smaug has greater feats, is more durable, faster, and is smarter.


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