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AsbestosFlaygon
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Originally posted by Tzeentch
No love for Aesop Rock ITT?

Yeah. One of the most underrated in the scene.




There's an interesting study by Matt Daniels about the extent of vocabulary of hip hop artists.

http://rappers.mdaniels.com.s3-webs....amazonaws.com/


I haven't heard of any of GZA's songs yet, but I'm sure they're sick as well.


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2Pac below ICP? Damn that's embarrassing.

Lol, DMX don't need your fancy words, just barking.

Edit: Where the hell is Killer Mike on that list?


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2Pac below ICP? Damn that's embarrassing.
As is the "lyrical wordsmith", lol.


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I don't consider myself well-listened enough to actually create a decent top 10 list, but here are my ten favorites:

1. Killer Mike
2. DMX
3. El-P
4. Despot
5. Himanshu Suri ("Heems")
6. Method Man
7. Waka Flocka Flame
8. Lil Dicky
9. Duckwrth
10. Aesop Rock


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wheres Del ?


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http://lab.musixmatch.com/largest_vocabulary/

This seems to have some very different results from the other study. For instance, Tupac and Eminem are considered much higher, and if this one is accurate, Eminem would actually have a wider vocabulary than Aesop Rock, which I don't believe for a second.


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Rakim left off of the OP's list . Stopped there .

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Tupac and Biggie are so overrated that it's not even funny, really. Infinite, Reasonable Doubt, and Illmatic are much better than anything they ever made.


Not a Tupac fan eh? He's my personal favorite but I can see where you drew your conclusion. Nas is definitely more clever lyrically, but I don't think there is another rapper that can hang with the raw emotion that Tupac put in his songs. I also liked the storytelling in his songs. Trapped, Brenda's Got a Baby, and Wonder why They Call you B**** come to mind.


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I do not have nearly the required knowledge to list the 25 greatest of all time rappers, so I'll just list my ten favorite, in no particular order, with the caveat that the first listed is my favorite.

1. Tech N9ne
2. Eminem
3. Hopsin
4. Biggie
5. Ice Cube
6. Immortal Technique
7. Bone Thugs-n-Harmony
8. Lupe Fiasco
9. NWA
10. Kool Keith


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This goat killz it...


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I do not have nearly the required knowledge to list the 25 greatest of all time rappers, so I'll just list my ten favorite, in no particular order, with the caveat that the first listed is my favorite.

1. Tech N9ne
2. Eminem
3. Hopsin
4. Biggie
5. Ice Cube
6. Immortal Technique
7. Bone Thugs-n-Harmony
8. Lupe Fiasco
9. NWA
10. Kool Keith


Whew lad, list has changed as I've gotten more hot knowledge.

1. Tech N9ne
2. Eminem
3. Biggie
4. Nas
5. Joyner Lucas
6. Kendrick Lamar
7. Big Pun
8. Lupe Fiasco
9. Bone Thugs-n-Harmony
10. Hopsin (just barely, serious love/hate relationship with this ****er)


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Whew lad, list has changed as I've gotten more hot knowledge.

1. Tech N9ne
2. Eminem
3. Biggie
4. Nas
5. Joyner Lucas
6. Kendrick Lamar
7. Big Pun
8. Lupe Fiasco
9. Bone Thugs-n-Harmony
10. Hopsin (just barely, serious love/hate relationship with this ****er)
You dropped off Tech? You don't have Lowkey? And here I use to like you Neme. laughing

Though on my top ten cause 25 is away too many

1. Lowkey
2. Nas
3. Tupac
4. Emeniem
5. Royce Da 5'9
6. Joell Ortiz
7. Dumbfoundead
9. Hopsin
10. Pumpkinhead


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You dropped off Tech? You don't have Lowkey? And here I use to like you Neme. laughing

Though on my top ten cause 25 is away too many

1. Lowkey
2. Nas
3. Tupac
4. Emeniem
5. Royce Da 5'9
6. Joell Ortiz
7. Dumbfoundead
9. Hopsin
10. Pumpkinhead
Actually, to be honest I probably would swap Bone Thugs for Immortal Technique come to think of it. He has some problems and I don't think quite as highly of him as I used to, but I still really like him.

Got anything on this literally who nigga Lowkey? A song you'd say represents his style well?


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Actually, to be honest I probably would swap Bone Thugs for Immortal Technique come to think of it. He has some problems and I don't think quite as highly of him as I used to, but I still really like him.

Got anything on this literally who nigga Lowkey? A song you'd say represents his style well?
I'm surprised that if you know who Immortal Technique is you don't know Lowkey, I found out about Lowkey because of Voice of the Voiceless where they rapped together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToZUIdbgqjE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rLdoLyitw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_2hJfhwro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmBnvajSfWU


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How are you guys rating your top 5?

Is it just how popular they were?
Or lyrical skill, flow, content, delivery, etc?
Combo of both?


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How are you guys rating your top 5?

Is it just how popular they were?
Or lyrical skill, flow, content, delivery, etc?
Combo of both?
Mainly content, lyrical skill, and if they have done anything that has meaning to me.


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How are you guys rating your top 5?

Is it just how popular they were?
Or lyrical skill, flow, content, delivery, etc?
Combo of both?
Me personally no, popularity means almost nothing. If I cared about popularity a relative unknown (though he's been getting more buzz recently) like Joyner Lucas wouldn't come anywhere near my list.

Big Pun also likely wouldn't make my list, because for some reason people seem to have forgotten he is an A-tier rapper, one of the all time greats up there with Pac and Biggie, since his death.

Anyway, it's based purely on how well they appeal to me. As for what appeals to me personally, I'm something of a backpacking fuccboi who really likes technical rappers, technical skill being length and density of rhymes, voice, flow, etc. Speed also plays a factor, though a rapper can be fast without being technical. Tech N9ne is the best example of this IMO, with highly advanced rhyme schemes, appealing and varied cadences, and probably the best and most versatile flow of any rapper I've ever heard. Eminem and Big Pun are also highly technical rappers, and the others on my list aren't too far from them. Here's a song from Big Pun (featuring Fat Joe) called Twinz that exemplifies some of what I'm talking about :



In particular, the couplet at the end of Big Pun's first verse is amazing.

"Dead in the middle of Little Italy little did we know
that we riddled some middleman who didn't do diddily"

This is a hot as **** couplet in terms of the rhyming, and his almost breathless flow and delivery really appeal to me.

I do value lyricism though, which is to say, emotional depth and ability to paint a vivid picture and say something with meaning. Every rapper on my list can do this, but it's largely the reason Joyner Lucas is on the list.





These are two of the most heartbreaking and intense songs I've ever heard, though they aren't particularly technical compared to Twinz for example. Which isn't to say that Joyner can't be technical either. His slaughtering of Future's Mask Off shows this:



Lucas' flow, rhyme schemes, and delivery are on point in this song, and he spits one of the fastest verses of his career during it.

Content does play a role, yeah. Part of why Tech N9ne is my favorite rapper is his darker (relative to most mainstream rap anyway) content. I'm also something of a horrorcore fan, but far too much horrorcore focuses on style over substance, which is to say they get the feel and look right, but they don't have the technical or lyrical chops to support it most of the time. Rappers that can, such as Tech N9ne (who admittedly isn't super horrorcore, especially these days), Eminem, Bone Thug, or Brotha Lynch Hung (who didn't make my list but I am a fan), as such appeal to me greatly.

You also forget an important aspect of hip hop: beats! Boring, annoying bad, or unfitting beats can ruin songs. It's not the most important thing to me, but it does matter.


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I'm surprised that if you know who Immortal Technique is you don't know Lowkey, I found out about Lowkey because of Voice of the Voiceless where they rapped together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToZUIdbgqjE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rLdoLyitw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_2hJfhwro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmBnvajSfWU
Will check these out later and tell you how I felt about them my man.


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I can only give my top 5 as the rest are interchangeable

1)Rakim
2)Biggie
3)Pac
4)Em(favorite)
5)Nas


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Will check these out later and tell you how I felt about them my man.
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