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Can Vampire ever be plante buster or universe reality wrapers?
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danteiscool
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true... but is he a planet buster? I can't recall a Castlevania character having that much power.

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Satan's leviathan creature is planet buster.
Gabriel took a country sized explosion to the face without much trouble.
But no he himself didnt show planet destroying lvl of power.


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really now?! I sure don't recall seeing anything like that... then again, I have yet to have a chance to play the game... any idea of where exactly this occurs in the game so that I can check it out on Youtube?

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Satan's leviathan creature is planet buster.
Gabriel took a country sized explosion to the face without much trouble.
But no he himself didnt show planet destroying lvl of power.
Interesting.

Gabriel might actually beat Kratos now, if this is true.


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My thought as well, Nemebro.

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The explosion is the 1st video it can be seen from space by the looks of it it can be easily continent sized...
The Satan one is the final boss Satan summons a leviathan to destroy Earth since he is afraid to confront Dracula and if he cant rule the world no one can.The leviathan prepares a blast but is interrupted but judging by their effort to stop it it was most likely to destroy the planet.Even Satan says destroy it now.

He also kills Death but he is less powerful then Satan and Satan's daughter.

Dracula respect thread

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f100/t592004.html


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As for Kratos it could be argued that Gabriel could easily possess him and kill him from the inside.
During this Dracula turns into a pool of blood and enters through mouth,nose,ears ,eyes into the body while inside his blood is destroying the host body but this can only be used during stealth sections.


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wow. impressive.

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The bio of the leviathan also says it could turn the planet into ashes.


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huh, interesting. just checked out the videos showing what you were talking about. Castlevania took a massive boost in power from the last time I ever tried keeping up with it.

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Yeah, LoS' Leviathan is somewhere between Life Wiping and Planet Busting. Its bio states that it sunk continents or something like that prior to a power boost that would let it "reduce the planet to ashes." Neither Satan nor Dracula have that level of power though, or else Satan wouldn't have to resort to using the Leviathan.

Dracula no-selling that country-level blast in the intro was due to him having an immunity to God's power, and not due to his durability. That said, Dracula likely no-sold the Leviathan's incomplete blast when it went off and killed the Leviathan itself.


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thumb up
Tbh I didnt get it why did breaking the collars caused the Leviathan s attack to backfire?


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well, it seemed like Satan was controlling it via the chains, so when the chains broke and Satan lost control of it, the attack tried to revert itself and failed. quite painfully for the leviathan.

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Yeah but that kinda doesnt make sense.
Losing control should have made it fire it off anyway unless it also powered him.


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probably also powered him; Satan did seem somewhat fused to the leviathan; if he wasn't, then he would've done something to stop Gabriel from doing that in the first place.

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The Vampires of the World of Darkness (Vampire the Masquerade), have some really potent powers to draw on. Generations 1-3 are Virtual demi gods, with Caine himself being in his own Tier. Most of their stats are not included in the core books as their powers are really beyond the scope of normal rules.

Consider that one 3rd generation vampire awoke and casually fought off and defeated various supernatural factions on his own. Said vampire "Ravnos/Zapathasura" also tanked spirit nukes and effected the entire world with his mastery over illusions. His power of illusion called "Chimerstry" allowed him to project illusions into a targest that they would require years intense mental therapy to recover from. At the higher levels Chimerstry could allow him to create an alternate reality. He could delete you from existence or simply snap his fingers and wish you into an alternate reality of his making. It's like being dragged off to your own personal hell of which you have no hope of ever leaving, unless he allows it. (Note he could spam these powers and not even deplete his blood reserves. For Ravnos it's like turning on a light switch).

This is just ONE example of what a 3rg generation vampire can do and there are supposed to 13 of these things. Most 3rd gen vampires have various abilities like this and can literally wipe the floor with the planet if they should get a burr up the tush.

Caine is, much older than the 13 Antediluvians and is stated to be able to create new powers on the whim. Is this broken? Yes. How would these beings do in marvel? They're not galaxy busters, but these vampires can wreck any planet they land on should they chose to. I can see them having some pretty crazy story lines.

As one poster said "Temporis" is cheating. It lets you turn back time, freeze it, step in and out of pockets of time and change it. You couple this with Chimerstry and other effects and it just gets silly. The physical disciplines alone at level 10 allow you to break mountains by punching it. Ravnos "woke up and split the mountain that imprisoned him" (Quote from the The Time of Thin Blood). So this 3rd gen wakes up, weakened, hungry and he splits a mountain? I wake up and open up some pop tarts.

There are too many powers to discuss, but yes, vampires can be planet busters.

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Most powerful vampire that I can think of would be Kiss-Shot. She can destroy continents by leaping across the globe, time-travel, enslave entirety of humanity, and all of that stuff.

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Originally posted by xSoulSlayerx
The Vampires of the World of Darkness (Vampire the Masquerade), have some really potent powers to draw on. Generations 1-3 are Virtual demi gods, with Caine himself being in his own Tier. Most of their stats are not included in the core books as their powers are really beyond the scope of normal rules.

Consider that one 3rd generation vampire awoke and casually fought off and defeated various supernatural factions on his own. Said vampire "Ravnos/Zapathasura" also tanked spirit nukes and effected the entire world with his mastery over illusions. His power of illusion called "Chimerstry" allowed him to project illusions into a targest that they would require years intense mental therapy to recover from. At the higher levels Chimerstry could allow him to create an alternate reality. He could delete you from existence or simply snap his fingers and wish you into an alternate reality of his making. It's like being dragged off to your own personal hell of which you have no hope of ever leaving, unless he allows it. (Note he could spam these powers and not even deplete his blood reserves. For Ravnos it's like turning on a light switch).

This is just ONE example of what a 3rg generation vampire can do and there are supposed to 13 of these things. Most 3rd gen vampires have various abilities like this and can literally wipe the floor with the planet if they should get a burr up the tush.

Caine is, much older than the 13 Antediluvians and is stated to be able to create new powers on the whim. Is this broken? Yes. How would these beings do in marvel? They're not galaxy busters, but these vampires can wreck any planet they land on should they chose to. I can see them having some pretty crazy story lines.

As one poster said "Temporis" is cheating. It lets you turn back time, freeze it, step in and out of pockets of time and change it. You couple this with Chimerstry and other effects and it just gets silly. The physical disciplines alone at level 10 allow you to break mountains by punching it. Ravnos "woke up and split the mountain that imprisoned him" (Quote from the The Time of Thin Blood). So this 3rd gen wakes up, weakened, hungry and he splits a mountain? I wake up and open up some pop tarts.

There are too many powers to discuss, but yes, vampires can be planet busters.



Damn nice story. Now tell more about Caine. He can create new type power without limt??

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Basically yes, Caine's history describes him mastering the 9 "core" vampire disciplines very quickly. Meaning, he has these core nine at level 10.

These are the core 9 disciplines:

Physical:
Celerity (Accelerated Speed, at high levels vampires in the world of darkness can flicker from one point to another. Ur Shulgi's description/bio states this. And he's a 4th gen!!!! Meaning his stats only go up to 9)

Potence (The art of hitting very hard lol, At high levels you can flick a finger and send someone flying across the room. Ravnos awoke, and even in it's weakened state he split a damn mountain.)

Fortitude (Allows a vampire to harden their undead flesh and add to their already amazing ability to soak damage. High levels allow swords to shatter on skin upon impact, and level 10 can allow to soak whatever you want. Level 10 disciplines are simply called "Plot Device". Any example of level 10 fortitude is Ravnos Tanking Spirit Nukes. The one thing that did kill Ravnos was the quadrupled sun light that was set up by Orbital Mirrors (set up by Technomages as their last attempt to try and kill him. That was after he affected the entire world with his awakening, fought 3 Elder Kuei-Jin (Bodhisattva's who are Asian Vampires in the World of Darkness Setting) Technomages, Shifter Races, and ... causing a huge maelstrom in the spirit realms that pretty much demolished that part of the world of darkness. JUst remember, Ravnos was at his weakest with these feats, and it took various factions going all out to take down 1 3rd gen, and Ravnos did hand them a beating.

Protean: The ability to shape flesh in the visage of the beast. IE vampires turn into bats, grow claws, turn into mist. Level 10...they meld into the earth and become one with the Planet, or they just take on the body of the Sun and turn into fire. YEAH....

You can just google these:
Presence
Dominate
Auspex
Obfuscate (you can erase yourself from the mind of anyone that's ever met you at the extremely higher powers.
Animalism

These are the Core powers Caine had, the Antediluvian's created their own unique powers that resembled their strengths. Hence Chimerstry was developed by Ravnos. Caine would know every single discipline known to vampires and then create powers on the side if he needs it. Anti something power? He can develop it, there is no scope as to what he can create, hwoever I think these powers must be related to vampirism.

That said there is a Discipline called Thuamaturgy, aka Blood Magic practiced by a clan called Tremere. It is completely Hax and they can pretty much control whatever they want with this. Caine would have this.

Caine would have everything a 3rd of 2nd vampire would have and then just be better at it because he's just that much older. He can only be killed by God in Vampire the Masquerade. The curse placed on him goes like this:

Anyone that hits Caine takes 7x times more damage and anyone that tried to kill Caine dies 7x harder. Caine is cursed by God, and only God can undo his damnation. OR Caine himself..but he's a bitter bastard.

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Wow what would you rank him if he was in Marval and Dc?

Compare Caine to other characters what level he be?

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