really depends, Marvel and DC have some strong characters who can snap their fingers and destroy Galaxies. However, the Antediluvian pose a Global thread in their setting, and can directly impact the spirit realms.
I'd say they'd enter the Top Tiers of Marvel Earth. They're no push overs in that regard. The level 10 Plot Device allows to do what you need with a discipline. Celerity offers bullet timing (and then some), some of their magical abilities are Hax in the sense that they vary in scope.
Examples:
Chimerstry 10- Trap another individual in an alternate reality. All the laws of that reality are created by the caster himself. Any attempt to locate said character fails unless the caster's allows him.her to escape.
Chimertsry 9: Called Mayaparistya can render objects insubstantial, and negate things from existence. Could Ravnos has deleted the Sun? Yeah sure maybe...i mean with this power depending on the number of successes you roll, you could:
make the environment behave illogical (gravity twist sideways, rivers stand still as hills flow upwards)
Render objects harmless, (Guns don't fire, knives/Swords won't cut)
Turn Candles into Tarantulas
Delete offending material from existence.
All this info can be found on pg. 67 of Clanbook Ravnos.
This is just 1 specialty Discipline , Obtenbration at level 10 can blot out the sun, Vicissitude can allow your body to recreate your body after dying, and with Dominate at 10 you can enslave anyone, or large groups of people. It's really up to you, while there are examples of level 10 powers you can really just make them fit your story line and just have them do what you need them to do.
Caine...is just overkill...just no lol LIke I said he'd be some kind of God or Avatar, I mean, look God cursed this man, and has basically left him to repent for his sin. In the game, Caine choses to defy God and sires Vampires.
This doesn't mean they can't be killed, it's just REALLY hard to do it. If for some reason these vampires united and decided to work together. Game over...why do this in your game? lol Any how, yeah They'd do rather well with Marvel Earth.
NOTE: These vampires are featless, except for Ravnos, and Caine's mythos/History they are left ambiguous. Whiet wolf felt that giving them stats would lead to someone created a character that could kill them. Ravnos did what he did weakened and in frenzy (meaning he wasn't in control of his actions, he was completely bloodlusted, but lacking common sense to control himself. Still look what it took to bring him down.)
really Herald Level??? That's high...aren't Heralds Cosmic beings? I guess Ante's can effect the Physical Plane and Astral Plane, and the Umbra/Underworld at the same. They need to have the right combination of disciplines but for an Ante that's weak sauce. I did just read through Thaumaturgy and it's rituals. paths, it's just insane what the Tremere could do.
1 level 10 ritual sees them ingest a Diamond and gain immunity to Sunlight, Fire, and allows them to stay awake during the day. There's Paths of Blood Sorcery that allow to boil your blood away. Sounds weak but these paths are accessible to most Tremere. The paths contain wards and completely Hax magical effects.
Also in the World of Darkness setting, The Ante's and Caine aren't at the top of the Food Chain. There are Arch mages and Technomages that can turn you into a lawn chair. So...maybe they're not too far from that Herald Status. Still I think an Ante vs Marvel Earth characters would be a great spin off.
Meta is to low, meta is where the likes of Iron Man, Mr Fantastic, Metallo, Storm, the thing, Cyborg etc. are at. And most of those guys would just be fried.
At Herald we get a more diverted picture, and beings that generally can affect a planet (in some way, shape or form) and since that is what Caine and the 3rd Generation can do, I don't think it's far off. Trans is to high though there you begin to run into guys that smashes around High Herald and can give skyfathers like Odin a fight.
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In what context is he making the character, is it to function in already existing setting, or does he want Dracula to be the hero or villian of the story?
Then my advice is the same as Moses, make him significantly weaker. Beings that run around with Multiversal levels of power imo leads to pretty boring stories. Only a very few selective writers can actually manage to write a character with that amount of power and not make it dull. Solar is a example of a omniversal power that is actually interesting to read, but he is imo one of the few.
I think the Antediluvians and Caine are being really overselled here. Yes, the Antediluvians are planetary or even above, and Caine is above them. But Caine isn't omnipotent, far from it. He's bound to a curse by God. The mechanic about fighting Caine in Vampire: The Masquerade is "You lose", but for three reasons: He is far more powerful than any vampire character in that game could be, his inmortality curse is enforced by capital G God and if you **** with Caine said God smacks you down. Really, the only omnipotents in the World of Darkness are likely God and 10 Sphere Mages.
As to the original question, I'm not a really big vampire buff, so I dunno.
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