Lol. Still, if we are to refer PIS showings from the sh1tfest known as AvX, one of Colossus' peers was getting manhandled by Ben Grimm. Not to mention that She-Hulk has punched out Mistress Death herself.
So yeah, Shulkie uses one of dem Abstract-busting punches to erase Spidey from existence.
No need to get all hostile and defensive, that's not what I meant when I talked about bad showing, nothing wrong with him having a hard time with her. Once again I was specifically referring to his ability to hurt her because that's the point that was discussed when I got into the debate. That's all I was saying. And I do believe he can.
I guess we have different understanding of the word "smart". Im not questioning her debating skills either but as far as "general smarts" goes being "half as smart as Spider-man" is a hugeass compliment and I dont belive that she is, does not make her a morron.
I agree she can break out, only saying that a large amount of it can slow her down.
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Then point out exactly what did you mean when claiming that it was a bad showing for him.
Spider-Man having a higher IQ then her does not translate to him being smarter than her. I doubt that one can even properly quantify how smart people are in general.
So you concede that trapping her with webbing is an ineffective tactic? Good.
Thought I did in the previous post. Him hurting his hand on her face. Thats not consistent with his showings against characters of her class.
Fair enough. I guess it depends on ones definition of smarts. Imo in this context its about overall knowledge. If you ever watched Big Bang Theory... Someone like Sheldon is clearly smarter than say Penny. At the same time he lacks understanding of basic things, pop culture. In that context she could be consired smarter, but in general can not compete.
Now i never said thar. Slowing down her with webbing just gives Spider-man more opportunities for a speedblitz.
I would give her the majority but 10/10? Heck no.
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Problem is, if we allow obvious PIS moments of Spiderman hurting people way above his weight class - which, let's face it, are PIS moments - then She-Hulk gets her numerous PIS moments as well of hurting people way above her weight class. Such as being tactical and clever enough to change the Living Tribunal's mind, punching Mistress Death out etc.
The double standards here are quite funny. On the one hand, Spidey, who holds his own against people he, as a Class 20, has no business fighting.....against She Hulk, who, as a Class 100, holds her own against people she has no business fighting.
But are we really going to compare Spider-man hurting class 90-100 bricks to She-Hulk hurting Lady Death? The gap between the two showings is ridiculously huge. On one hand it's Spider-man who consistently performs class 20+ feats when under stress and is consistently shown to punch hard enough for low class 100 to feel it.. and on the other hand a feat that would normally require a sky-father + level being. That is not the same. In fact Spider-man hurting people above his weight class is consistent enough to not be concidered PIS. Heck even decades old bio of his states that when he's stressed his strength goes from class 10 to an "uncharted area" and he lives up to it. And thats me excluding his obvious PIS showings.
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She can do Loboesque Loony Toons feats - and has done so pretty consistently in canon comics (so not just an isolated case here and there, like the Joker breaking the 4th wall and talking to the reader, or Emma Frost answering letters pages, for example). She is a humorous character who has done things so often, it's not PIS.
I mean, if I did a Squirrel Girl thread, SG's feats and showings are all applicable, right? Why not She-Hulk?
And don't get me started on the dynamic strength thing lol. This IS a Hulk we are talking about, after all...
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If we aren't talking about 4th wall garbage, then I remember her doing well against quite a few bruisers. But the point is, based on his showings, Spidey can definitely hurt Shulkie with his punches.
How the hell are they gonna catch him to do that? Right, they won't. Anyone in Hercules/She hulk's range hitting Spider-man with even one car is PIS of the highest order.
If you had, then we wouldn't be debating the point at hand. Lol, so indirect comparisons take precedence over how he would fare in a physical matchup against over direct evidence showcasing him being incapable of taking her down? What sort of bullsh1t logic is that?
Gus Fring was smarter than Walter White in Breaking Bad. And Gus wasn't one tenth the technical expert which Walt was.
Yes you did. No it wouldn't. It'll just prolong the beating he'll inevitably receive once Shulkie gets her hands on him.
Seriously, the spider-wankery on full display in this thread is outright appalling. The mental gymnastics, denial of evidence, the blatant hypocrisy of citing PIS feats, usage of cover pages as "proof" etc is every bit as bad as the crap which people like Wolverine fanboys pull off from time to time.
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Feb 17th, 2014 07:51 AM
Slowing down her with webbing just gives Spider-man more opportunities for a speedblitz.
