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What is gabriel's best speed feat?

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http://youtu.be/j8WEGOUJypQ?t=9m31s
Possibly reacts to a Lightning attack. Said attack was weakened though.


http://youtu.be/kxYjNV7lg08?t=3m20s
Dracula dodges an attack that is at the very least low end hypersonic.


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Looks like Kratos can blitz Gabriel then.


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Was the lightning attack being weakened making it any slower as a result? Or just less powerful?

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If we just assume its the speed of a normal bolt, then Kratos still has a massive edge in speed.


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Gabriel could turn into mist if he gets hit......while being mist he can still instant freeze his opponents....


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The blades can attack intangible things. There are shades that can phase into the ground and Kratos can pull them straight out of the ground with the blades. The chains of Hades we already know can attack intangible things like souls.

At the very least, the sheer heat from the flames of the blades can damage the mist. Flash Freezing shouldn't be an issue. Kratos has gone through intense gusts of cold to get the Horn of Boreas in Ghost of Sparta.


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Gabriel can also teleport in his mist form to keep distance .
He also has bubble shields which make him invulnerable for short periods.


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Teleporting is ok if you're close enough in reaction time to make use of it. From what I've seen of Gabriel, he doesn't come close as of some new information I have.

How invulnerable is invulnerable? What kinda durability feats do the bubbles have is what I mean? And can they stop the intangible effect the claws or him calling souls from Sparta to fight by his side? He can also blind him/hurt him with the intense blast of sunlight from Helios' head


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Isn't Kratos' greatest speed feat dodging lightning? Wouldn't Gabriel dodging lightning put him in the same category?

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Wow...didnt know Kratos is a super speedster who just blitzes his opponents like Flash beating the tar out of them..

Anyways the bubble shields make him untouchable till they are broken.
Gabriel is pretty much immune to heat thanks to his chaos powers.

You say like Dracula is going to stand there and watch Kratos spam all his attacks at him.


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Isn't Kratos' greatest speed feat dodging lightning? Wouldn't Gabriel dodging lightning put him in the same category?


I won't get into too many specific as far as calc numbers as I am now trying to speed compile my respect thread before I'm gone from here. (RL at last will take over) but here goes:

The lightning Kratos dodges is much faster. If Gabriel's lightning dodging is of typical speed, he's dodging something like mach 100-300.

Zeus' lightning is fast enough to go from Mt. Olympus to Egypt in a second or less. Making it at least mach 4000ish. That's if you use real world distances though. In God of War, Mount Olympus is several thousands of miles tall (via a statement in one of guides on how long it takes a man to fall from the top, as well as some other stuff from the games). So it actually comes out to several times higher than mach 4000. A dev confirmed the height statement to be valid as well as saying Zeus' lightning toss in the book is correct since Ares did something similar by throwing that pillar from athens to pandora's temple.

-Kratos in God of War Ascension moved fast enough for falling pillars that fell from at least a hundred feet above him, to move so slow as to be literally frozen for brief moments of time. (Overall they were falling in slow motion, but each time Kratos targeted, & moved from one falling pillar to the next, they were legit frozen in mid-air).

-Soon after that, Kratos fought Castor and Pollux, who used a time stop against Kratos. Kratos was able to resist it because of his speed. This was confirmed by the dev who designed the whole boss fight. (He also designed the aforementioned chase sequence where Kratos moved fast enough for those falling pillars to look temporarily frozen and acknowledged that as a speed showing).

-Kratos fought and readily reacted to Hermes, who in short bursts at least is faster than light. He's the only enemy in the game that can outright dodge the Helios solar flare move. One of the main producers confirmed that was put in to show Hermes' speed over everyone else.

-Warriors of Zeus in God of War Ascension have a special dash move that is literally described as letting them move at light speed upon the enemy. This means Zeus himself is at least as fast. And all of the warriors in the multiplayer are confirmed in a dev video to be intended as lesser than Kratos. So Kratos with Hermes' boots can definitely be scaled from that.


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Cool. Didn't know all of that.

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Dracula technically can't die except with a specific God given weapon, so how is Kratos going to win?


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Simple. Read the rules. It mentions Ganondorf who in canon has the same kind of caveat regarding his 'killability'. We ignore things like that and go off of their explicit durability feats.

Not no-limits fallacies.

(Hence for example why I asked how durable the bubbles are, as we can't simply assume they are completely invulnerable.)

A KO or incapacitation for a set amount of time still counts as a win anyway.


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A KO I can understand. The OP could use some clarification. But Drac's immunity isn't a no limits fallacy; it's a plot point and accounts for his role as The Dreaded. Iirc, God pretty much makes him unable to be slain, so it needs to be stipulated what, if anything, can KO him.


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A plot point? That's no different than Ganon being unbeatable except by the Master Sword. The rule automatically accounts for that.

If you want to make him unkillable because of a plot point, then he is no longer allowed to be in a thread.

If he is in a thread, then whatever durability feats he has are used as a baseline to determine what can and can't kill/ko him.

On a side note, how powerful is this God anyway? If he's not completely omnipotent, then its naturally a no-limits fallacy anyway. Not that it necessarily matters here, I just mean in regards to other threads.


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Was the lightning attack being weakened making it any slower as a result? Or just less powerful?


Can't say for certain. Likely the latter. It looked to be as fast as the lightning he used to subdue Dracula back in the real world.

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Anyways the bubble shields make him untouchable till they are broken.
Gabriel is pretty much immune to heat thanks to his chaos powers.


You do know you're engaging in no-limits fallacies right?
His Void shield has no canon durability feats (so we have no idea if it can protect him from hits from people as strong as Kratos), not to mention, it apparently uses up all of his Void magic for a single use shield that can only protect him from a limited number of hits.
And Dracula no-selling the Gorgon's fire breath, doesn't mean he can no-sell any fire-based attack.


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Dracula technically can't die except with a specific God given weapon, so how is Kratos going to win?
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-Kratos fought and readily reacted to Hermes, who in short bursts at least is faster than light.


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special dash move that is literally described as letting them move at light speed upon the enemy


Kratos is being claimed as light speed now? Kratos had to wound Hermes to get close to him, using a feat that's from Hermes at his peak as something for Kratos to scale from is giggle worthy, not that scaling is relevant in this instance anyway since Kratos fights hermes with long chainblades in a small room, hardly a work of finesse in their fight.



The only question for this fight is does Dracula have long range spells and can he teleport? if those answers are yes, which based on some responses is true, then he wins because Kratos' ranged abilities are pathetic and his movement speed is laughable, Dracula would have to "let" Kratos catch up to be in range of any of his abilities.

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Kratos is being claimed as light speed now? Kratos had to wound Hermes to get close to him, using a feat that's from Hermes at his peak as something for Kratos to scale from is giggle worthy, not that scaling is relevant in this instance anyway since Kratos fights hermes with long chainblades in a small room, hardly a work of finesse in their fight.


Lightspeed unequivocally exists in God of War canon now as of Ascension. By warriors that are deemed lesser than Kratos and are mere pawns of Zeus.

And, are you an idiot? It seems you couldn't parse the meaning of my words. Hermes is able to dodge the Helios' Solar Flare while Kratos is fighting him, where Hermes is tired in the first place.

The room was not small at all in any form. Considering Kratos is 8'6" and they still had a wide breadth to maneuver in. Not to mention, the speed of the blades would come from his arms anyway. Also, he reacted to Hermes in a close quarters QTE with his bare-hands, so that kills that argument too. We also know Kratos was landing blows on him the entire fight because Hermes has a dialogue during the fight where he'll complain about Kratos landing blows on him. We also know that Hermes only starts getting really, really tired (such that he starts fumbling around) only as you continue to hit him and lower his health--if you don't lower his health, he'll be completely normal except for trying to catch his breath once in awhile if he creates space.

And don't just plug your ears on this, what feats does Dracula have to say Kratos' speed is laughable in comparison? None have been posted or hinted at.

-Kratos moves fast enough for falling rubble from a high distance to look frozen in mid-air relative to him for a few moments. Not just slowed down, but frozen.

-Kratos is fast enough to fight even while under a time-stop, by an enemy who is very nimble, can levitate, use telekinesis, shoot barrages of projectiles, blitz teleport, Age and De-Age you, and create time-bubbles around himself to boot.

-Kratos reacts to (at minimum) sub-relativistic lightning bolts while they are just a meter or so away from him. (Every description of the fleece says it only works by activating it just before impact).

-Kratos reacts to a guy who is confirmed to be able to dodge blasts of light (even while tired) as a show of being faster than everyone else.

-Kratos has scaling rights with pawns of Zeus that are lightspeed in bursts, that as a whole are deemed lesser than Kratos.

-Zeus himself becomes lightspeed from that scaling, and whom Kratos has fought evenly twice now.

-Zeus and Ares have at least sub-relativistic speeds from their travels to and from Mount Olympus anyway.


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