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quote: (post ) Originally posted by carver9
Huh? Time stop is time stop. Hulks don't just gain new powers out of the wood work, it's part of him. Also, when was it mentioned him having Chronal metal during that instance because all of the powers worked on Hulk, he just powered through it. He was even aged during that instance and probably would have died if it wasn't for the sword. It was even stated that it would be hard for Hulk to battle someone who could control time. Excuses.
All of this wasn't directed at you Dark.
You're scared
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Mar 18th, 2014 05:33 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Different Hulk
Assistance using non standard equipment
Different timestop natures (mystical vs technological)
A summary of the arguments against carver.
Against h1:
1. In character, Hulk will hold back. So any arguments about his amazing powerlevels is moot, as he only did that when he was sure it had no consequences.
2. It was a shared feat that he did with Betty. So destroying the world wasn't as impressive (still damn impressive) as he's trying to calculate it to be.
3. Time stop.
If h1 argues about character mindsets, then please see point 1. If he doesn't, see point 3.
KT wins.
Regardless of Hulk holding back or not, Thor wS accomplishing similar feats to HotM Hulk's during the god butcher arc, so you add in the OF and it's a no brainer in Thor's favor for me.
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Mar 18th, 2014 05:45 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Regardless of Hulk holding back or not, Thor wS accomplishing similar feats to HotM Hulk's during the god butcher arc, so you add in the OF and it's a no brainer in Thor's favor for me.
True. A Thor is a Thor is a Thor, after all.
All of the feats that a weaker, OF-less Thor are also applicable. Just ramped to the max, now.
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Mar 18th, 2014 05:48 PM
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Thor wins
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Mar 18th, 2014 05:53 PM
carver9
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True. A Thor is a Thor is a Thor, after all.
All of the feats that a weaker, OF-less Thor are also applicable. Just ramped to the max, now.
Biased. By the way, I think KT wins this. Had to make some corrections to some stuff.
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Mar 18th, 2014 05:56 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Different Hulk
Assistance using non standard equipment
Different timestop natures (mystical vs technological)
A summary of the arguments against carver.
Against h1:
1. In character, Hulk will hold back. So any arguments about his amazing powerlevels is moot, as he only did that when he was sure it had no consequences.
2. It was a shared feat that he did with Betty. So destroying the world wasn't as impressive (still damn impressive) as he's trying to calculate it to be.
3. Time stop.
If h1 argues about character mindsets, then please see point 1. If he doesn't, see point 3.
KT wins.
Your summary is wrong though.
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Mar 18th, 2014 05:58 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by carver9
Your summary is wrong though.
Proof that I summarised things incorrectly? Not asking about whether my/others arguments are right or not, because we are debating.
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Mar 18th, 2014 06:13 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Proof that I summarised things incorrectly? Not asking about whether my/others arguments are right or not, because we are debating.
Assistance using non standard equipment. What assistance?
Also, time stop is time stop. The nature of time stop doesn't matter. Flash and Spectrum moved through time stop. Am I suppose to discredit their showing just because it was magical?
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Mar 18th, 2014 06:33 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by carver9
Assistance using non standard equipment. What assistance?
Also, time stop is time stop. The nature of time stop doesn't matter. Flash and Spectrum moved through time stop. Am I suppose to discredit their showing just because it was magical?
Meant to say, "wasn't magical".
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Mar 18th, 2014 07:24 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He would still hold back. It's well known that the Hulk does not kill. King Thor kills. Even if he does not depower himself to normal Hulk levels, nor will he be outputting the amount of damage he did in the Dark Dimension with Betty.
ok so WBH isn't going to kill him with a haymaker. But rather he would just flick his finger and Ko him. So yes WBH would hold back and just Ko KT. Good analysis.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Different Hulk
Assistance using non standard equipment
Different timestop natures (mystical vs technological)
A summary of the arguments against carver.
Against h1:
1. In character, Hulk will hold back. So any arguments about his amazing powerlevels is moot, as he only did that when he was sure it had no consequences.
2. It was a shared feat that he did with Betty. So destroying the world wasn't as impressive (still damn impressive) as he's trying to calculate it to be.
3. Time stop.
If h1 argues about character mindsets, then please see point 1. If he doesn't, see point 3.
KT wins.
it was a shared feat that had Hulk supply exactly half of the power. So instead of billions of times we can just use 1 billion or simply 500 million. Is that better?
Hulk would hold back and one shot Ko KT instead of one shot kill him. Good analysis.
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Mar 18th, 2014 10:28 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by h1a8
ok so WBH isn't going to kill him with a haymaker. But rather he would just flick his finger and Ko him. So yes WBH would hold back and just Ko KT. Good analysis.
it was a shared feat that had Hulk supply exactly half of the power. So instead of billions of times we can just use 1 billion or simply 500 million. Is that better?
Hulk would hold back and one shot Ko KT instead of one shot kill him. Good analysis.
You will need to prove it was 500 million. Which, considering you didn't even account for something as basic as Betty being there (which was clear and made explicit in the comic) makes me suspicious about other assumptions you have made.
Next, calculate how much energy it takes to stop time. Then, and only then, can you compare like with like.
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Mar 18th, 2014 11:46 PM
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The most powerful incarnation of Hulk vs the 3rd most powerful version of Thor? I'm a Thorbag so I really want to say Thor but that's quite a lot of power Hulk is tossing around. I'm going to have to agree with a previous poster and say they both have the potential to kill the other. Thor has more options at his disposal but I think Hulk will be able to turn it into a melee before Thor can use those options.
Hulk 6/10,due to simplicity of using his powers to their fullest.
Mar 19th, 2014 12:21 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You will need to prove it was 500 million. Which, considering you didn't even account for something as basic as Betty being there (which was clear and made explicit in the comic) makes me suspicious about other assumptions you have made.
Next, calculate how much energy it takes to stop time. Then, and only then, can you compare like with like.
Basic physics. It takes more than billions of times more force to destroy something from a hundreds of yards away without touching it. Smack the shit out of yourself from a hundred yards away and I guarantee that no one will even feel a billionth of the force you got struck with.
500 million?
BILLIONS! Not millions. I was just being nice.
The energy required to stop time in a location is irrelevant (tech can achieve it with small amounts of power).
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Mar 19th, 2014 02:49 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by ShadowFyre
The most powerful incarnation of Hulk vs the 3rd most powerful version of Thor? I'm a Thorbag so I really want to say Thor but that's quite a lot of power Hulk is tossing around. I'm going to have to agree with a previous poster and say they both have the potential to kill the other. Thor has more options at his disposal but I think Hulk will be able to turn it into a melee before Thor can use those options.
Hulk 6/10,due to simplicity of using his powers to their fullest.
How does KT being the 3rd most powerful version of the character change anything whatsoever? KT's max is still > Hulk's.
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So, WBH > King Thor because he can destroy a planet from a distance, is what I gather
Disintegrate thousands of beings that can overwhelm a skyfather >>>>>> a planet. Destroy them and it indirectly through physical strength.
Plus we go on showings or feats. KT has no feats in the same magnitude. So that's a yes to your question.
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Mar 19th, 2014 06:56 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by h1a8
It takes more than a billion times more force to destroy something without touching it from hundreds of yards away.
Cite an actual scientific article which supports this assertion of yours.
Not some bullshit experiment you did at home, but an actual study.
Otherwise these are just made up numbers on your part.
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Mar 19th, 2014 07:02 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by carver9
Assistance using non standard equipment. What assistance?
Also, time stop is time stop. The nature of time stop doesn't matter. Flash and Spectrum moved through time stop. Am I suppose to discredit their showing just because it was magical?
WBH has been affected by a time stop though.
In the very same arc from which this "billions of times more power" bs is being spouted.
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