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Emperor Vitiate, Exar Kun and Darth Sidious Vs Revan,Luke Skywalker and Yoda
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Nephthys
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"Unofficial answer."

Vitiate needed no prep to mind**** Scourge into shitting his pants.


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Vitiate would solo the rest of team 1, or team 2 tbh.

Imagine Dark Empire Sidious, not the depowered Clone who lost to Luke, the elderly Clone who corrupted and Leia and dispatched them with hand gestures and summoned Dark Side Wormholes, times a thousand. Then you have Vitiate, who also happened to know far more sorcerer, alchemical, and ritualistic techniques than Sidious.

Vitiate had a millennium to delve into Sith lore, not to mention he absorbed far more life force than did Palpatine in his time.

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Vitiate needed no prep to mind**** Scourge into shitting his pants.

You mean the young, not experienced Scourge who is later rocked by Nyriss?


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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
In a lightsaber fight, yes, which Vitiate is awful at.

Why Plagueis didn't just eliminate Venamis with his powers?

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He defeated the most powerful Sith Lord ever, beat Caedus, wtfpwned Lumiya, fought Abeloth numerous times, etc etc.

I have the sources and I know that you are hiding lot of details here. Try to fool somebody else.

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Did you even read the book and the advantages Mara had? Like seriously?

laughing out loud

Here: you have no answer. It doesn't matters what advantages Mara had, a superior warrior/Force-user should have eliminated her without much effort.

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You mean the young, not experienced Scourge who is later rocked by Nyriss?


What does that have to do with anything? Its not like the technique takes less time to prepare based on the opponent.

Vitiate also needed no time to attempt to dominate Revan either.


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Unfortunately for you, this is utter BULL from Drew. Canon sources disagree with Drew on this matter.

Also, Drew doesn't gives definite answers in his emails.

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Listen, a fully-fed Vitiate, DE Palpatine, or Darth Nihilus could all solo any team of Jedi you can list under normal conditions.

Those three were masters of the greatest Sith secrets, aka Force drain.

I say under normal conditions because the only time a Jedi beats a dark side nexus on their scale is when they're weakened and that Jedi is a light side nexus being momentarily amped by the Living Force.

The Sith desire power, so they can use the dark side to get it and keep it. The Jedi only obtain unnatural power temporarily, to defeat the unnaturally powerful as their plans fall apart due to the machinations of the Living Force.

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I have the sources and I know that you are hiding lot of details here. Try to fool somebody else.

Apparently you don't.
-He outdueled DE Sidious.
-He defeated Caedus and pinned him in a chair.
-He easily defeated Lumiya and decapitated her.
-He survived numerous encounters with Abeloth.


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Sith Emperor was the most powerful Force-user in the galaxy while he lasted. This implies that he was superior to your favorites such as The Father, The Son, The Daughter and even Abeloth while he existed.

So OP's assertion isn't so far-fetched.

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You mean the young, not experienced Scourge who is later rocked by Nyriss?

I think that you need to read the novel again. Scourge was a battle-hardened Sith Warrior and Lord during this time.

Nyriss was possibly among the most powerful Force-users in her era.

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Unfortunately for you, this is utter BULL from Drew. Canon sources disagree with Drew on this matter.

lol. I accept your concession.
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Why Plagueis didn't just eliminate Venamis with his powers?

Venamis was trained to know Plagueis's moves, etc etc. Eventually, Plagueis did defeat Venamis despite of this via force powers. Regardless, Plagueis is confirmed as Vitiate's superior.


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Apparently you don't.
-He outdueled DE Sidious.
-As a temporary light side nexus
-Sidious had outsourced a lot of the energy he had absorbed from Byss' inhabitants on corrupting and empowering his subjects and corrupting Luke Skywalker.
-Sidious was concentrating on summoning a dark side wormhole while dueling Luke Skywalker.

So Luke's power increased enough to defeat the Sidious he'd lost to in just a few days under the latter's tutelage?

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Apparently you don't.
-He outdueled DE Sidious.
-He defeated Caedus and pinned him in a chair.
-He easily defeated Lumiya and decapitated her.
-He survived numerous encounters with Abeloth.

Once again, you are hiding lot of details and not putting things in context. Do your math again.

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This implies that he was superior to your favorites such as The Father, The Son, The Daughter and even Abeloth while he existed.

No. It is "the most powerful force user the galaxy has ever seen."
I don't recall anyone seeing the Mortis family besides the Celestials.


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such as The Father, The Son, The Daughter and even Abeloth while he existed.
As were a Katarr fed Nihilus, and a partially Byss fed Palpatine.

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Once again, you are hiding lot of details and not putting things in context. Do your math again.

I am not. Go ahead and read the fights. lol Saying I am "lying" is funny, because it obviously shows you have not read any material on Luke.
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-As a temporary light side nexus

No. Luke was not amped by Sidious until after the fight:
Sound: The Emperor's own lightsaber activates.

EMPEROR: So be it. Through the power of the Force, you will DIE!!!

Sound: The Emperor lunges at Luke--who activates his own lightsaber and blocks the blow!! A vicious duel ensues between the two. Both grunt and yell as they lash out.

LEIA: Be careful, Luke! The Force is strong....they're both moving so fast, I can hardly see them....I feel waves of power....the Dark Side and the Light.....But......I feel......the Light.....is winning!!

Sound: One blow finally lands---and something thuds on the floor as both lightsabers deactivate!

EMPEROR: NNAAAAARRRGGGHHH!!!! MY HANDD!!! YOU'VE CUT OFF MY HANNNDDDD!!!!!!

LUKE: NOW, "Your Highness," we will escort you to the Alliance base, where you will surrender the Galaxy to the New Republic!!

EMPEROR: (long pause) Look at you. Don't think I don't know your plan.

Sound: A far-off roar begins in the far distance.....the same noise that spirited Luke away from Coruscant.

EMPEROR: The Dark Side HAS you. You intend to rule the Galaxy, in my place. But....utter imbecile that you are....you have STILL failed to understand MY POWERRRR!!!!!!

LEIA: (hearing the noise) What's happening?!

EMPEROR: Watch the viewscreen!! And listen as your friends DIE!!!!

Sound: The sound becomes louder......and moving lower.

LUKE: He's created another storm!

LEIA: It's descending on Pinnacle Base, consuming all the ships in its path! (rushes to the comm console and activates the comm) Mon Mothma, can you hear me?!

MON MOTHMA: (on intercom, shouting to be heard) Princess Leia, there's an energy storm! It's suddenly taken over the planet!! We have 12 ships lost already!!! All our hands have been lost--we're being wiped out!!!

HAN: (on intercom) LEIA!! LE-----(ominous static)

LEIA: (tightly controlling her anger) You're going to SLAUGHTER all those people!!

EMPEROR: Yes. Did I not warn you? I've played your Jedi dueling games long enough. Now, you will experience my FULL potency. I live as energy!! I AM THE DARK SIDE!!!!

LUKE: What have you done....? The power you've unleashed....even YOU can't control it!

LEIA: But WE can, Luke. WE can do it. That's what the Holocron meant. Let me add my power to yours.

EMPEROR: Yes. Waste your time on stupid Jedi tricks. The storm will crush your Rebel base to dust.

LUKE: (echoing) Leia....

LEIA: (echoing) I'm here, Luke.

LUKE: (echoing) Concentrate.....

LEIA: (echoing) I'm trying.

EMPEROR: What are you doing?

LEIA: (echoing) Luke, I FEEL the Force!

EMPEROR: (realizing at long last) NO!!!

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-Sidious had outsourced a lot of the energy he had absorbed from Byss' inhabitants on corrupting and empowering his subjects and corrupting Luke Skywalker.
-Sidious was concentrating on summoning a dark side wormhole while dueling Luke Skywalker.

Source?


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No. It is "the most powerful force user the galaxy has ever seen."
I don't recall anyone seeing the Mortis family besides the Celestials.
While I'm sure Son could Force drain a world pretty easily, he never attained that much energy.

This was a very temporary fix for any of the three Sith.

I don't believe in statements like Sidious being the strongest Sith ever, either.

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I don't believe in statements like Sidious being the strongest Sith ever, either. [/B]

Then you are ignoring canon. Great. thumb up


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EMPEROR: NNAAAAARRRGGGHHH!!!! MY HANDD!!! YOU'VE CUT OFF MY HANNNDDDD!!!!!!


Ahahaha, what a b*tch. Vitiate would have asked Luke for another instead of screaming like a little girl.


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Sound: The Emperor's own lightsaber activates.
He doesn't need to be amped by Leia to momentarily tap into greater of his own reserves than normal due to his light side ire and frame of mind. Sidious was off creating the wormhole that destroyed the fleet Leia and Luke had arrived with.

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lol. I accept your concession.

Their is on concession on my part here.

SWTOR(E) notes that Sith Emperor broke Revan and Malak with a fraction of his power.

SWTOR(R) notes that Sith Emperor subdued Scourge with just a minor mental brush.

SWTOR(G) notes that Sith Emperor disturbs his surroundings with just his mere presence. And that Sith Emperor can break even the most powerful of the Jedi with his telepathic powers.

Unofficial opinion of an author doesn't takes precedence over canonical revelations/evidence.

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Venamis was trained to know Plagueis's moves, etc etc. Eventually, Plagueis did defeat Venamis despite of this via force powers. Regardless, Plagueis is confirmed as Vitiate's superior.

- Venamis wasn't in the league of Plagueis and the latter's performance was/is disappointing for all the hype he gets. And here you are arguing his chances against a Strike Team of 4 of the Order's powerful Jedi, makes no sense.

- Plagueis isn't confirmed to be Vitiate's superior. This is another BS from you.

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Then you are ignoring canon. Great. thumb up
You have no idea what you're talking about.

It'd contradict itself if you took any statement about one Sith being the most powerful ever literally. That means Sidious>Plageuis>Bane>Vitiate.

And I assure you the hierarchy is quite the opposite.

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