Comic book "peak humans" are blatantly superhuman, like Captain America who has feats of bullet timing and throwing his shield faster than sound
I'm honestly curious to know how you prove that Raiden wasn't using it horeshit. Though I'm guessing it'll be a "it looked slow so it is slow" 'argument' amirite?
Low showing learn what it is. Well ****, in DB Part 1, Goku gets threatened by rocks and street level weaponry alot, yet has several instances of tanking them and attacks that exceed that
Or the infamous "40 tons" thing. In YYH Kurama struggles with a few hundred pounds holding him down in the Dark Tournament, yet him and various others have feats exceeding that level of strength
Nitpicking a single low showing does not invalidate various other showings
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Deflecting machine gun fire is a crazy good feat. And your argumetns against it are that comic book "peak-humans" can do it... lol. "Peak-humans" in comics also defeat characters like Hulk and Wonder Woman in combat.
A QTE that Raiden has never used in any cut scene or in any canon material. Most of Kratos' cut scenes involve him manhandling an enemy larger than him, poor comparison.
Look it's really simple, if you show Raiden using blade mode outside of gameplay then you'd have something legit, right now you don't.
Did you think I was talking about real life peak humans? If you did then you should really stop sniffing glue brah
Raiden would beat most comic book book peak humans though
I haven't nit picked anything, you keep insisting that Blade Mode is a legit ability even though the game director said it's a gameplay mechanic, and even though Raiden has never utilized it in any cut scene.
Seriously, it seems you're the one who needs evidence at this point instead of constantly repeating how legit is when he's never used it against any credible enemies like Sam, Sundowner or any of the other Winds, or Armstrong.
Seems that way. The funny thing is to prove that his reactions are "slow" he compares Raiden to Katana. You know, the character who recently fared well against Wonder Woman in a sword fight...
And you think Katana fighting Wonder Woman is legit? New 52 WW is a bit green but she shouldn't have any trouble with peak humans or street levelers either.
I think Raiden might be able to beat characters up to the Chunin Exams. The speed Rock Lee used against Gaara is faster than Raiden.
DMC3 Dante and Virgil were so fast that they were able to create a barrier that kept out rain just by swinging their swords, that's a hell of a lot more impressive Raiden.
I'm not sure what's Kain's powers are but certain FF powers bs mechanics too, like summoning meteor.
Pretty sure the rain feat has been debunked several times. DMC3 Dante lacks the destructive capacity to harm Raiden, while Raiden can reduce him to paste with a single attack. The only time DMC3 Dante exceeds Raiden in speed is with Quicksilver, which only lasts a minute or 2
No, meteor and materia is legit
I suggest you lurk more, because you're way out of touch with how debating works
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Prove it then, debunk the rain feat or at least point out where you think this rain feat has been debunked. Don't just make claims without providing evidence.
DMC3 Dante lacks the destructive capacity, funny how how his sword is a lot more viable than Raiden's piece of crap sword that Armstrong broke, and last time I checked one of them could regenerate, the other can't.
DMC3 Dante with the rain feat alone is faster than Raiden, and even if Quicksilver was his only option, he'd only need a few seconds to decapitate him.
If anything Raiden may be able to beat Rebooted Dante and that's being generous.
It's funny, I'm the one providing scans, providing links, debunking your argument, you're the one making baseless claims, screaming about QTE and gameplay, and I'm the one out of touch
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It's called use the search function and lurk more before digging up discussions that have been done to death
Or to take a page from OBD
"Don't demand scans for every stupid thing, at least do research yourself before bringing up or debunking a feat"
Show me Dante's best destructive feat in DMC3. Because it kind of pales in comparison to Raiden who tossed a 400 to 500 ton mech in the air and cut it apart or who can flip EXCELSUS onto it's ass
Armstrong is obviously just strong as hell now isn't he?
Except DMC3 Dante can't hurt Raiden, who can survive attacks from Armstrong, who punched EXCELSUS to rubble. Meanwhile DMC3 Dante
Raiden can solo Rebooted DmC
No you haven't done shit beyond provide comic book peak human feats to justify your downplaying of MGR and try to do the same faggotry that SW detesters try to do with the EU by trying to disregard Raiden's abilities
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Heh that's hilarious, you make a claim, I ask for proof and you tell me to go find it? Yeah, it's pretty obvious that you're the one out of touch with how debating works.
OBD is a terrible forum, and just for the record I attempted to Google it, typing in DMC3 Dante Virgil Rain Feat Debunked and got nothing.
We've arrived at the point of you being so desperate that you'll actually make things up or send me on some wild goose chase to find something that may or may not exist, poor debating on your part.
Raiden lifting a 400-500 ton mech is a LIFTING Feat, it has nothing to do with his destructive power, or his striking ability.
Armstrong is obviously just that strong, let Armstrong try that with Rebellion or freaking Yamato and he'll get bifurcated like George did. Rebellion was able to collide with Yamato throughout DMC, Yamato was also a sword that was casually capable of slicing buildings in half.
No seriously, show Raiden's sword or Sam's sword doing something similar to that, oh wait, you can't because their swords are garbage.
Anything else? Raiden was able to withstand Armstrongs punches? It's funny, I'm pretty sure blunt force durability doesn't equate to having durability against bladed weapons.
Two words for you, Wonder Woman
Raiden might be able to beat Rebooted DMC, That's it, Dante or Virgil from any of the original games would bifurcate Raiden. Raiden doesn't have the speed to keep or comparable weaponry.
You keep screaming low showings but the funny thing about low showings is that you need to have high showings to offset them, so far you've presented two.
The machine gun fire has been debunked, all you have left is a gameplay mechanic which is just that, a gameplay mechanic that Raiden never coincidentally uses in any of his fights and a bunch of comparisons to Star Wars which btw I have no idea what you're rambling about.
It's never easy being on the losing side of an argument but you should learn how to handle it better, yelling terms like faggotry is only making you look petty at this point.
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Hey, OBD is far more credible than a ****er like you will ever be
Raiden threw the god damn thing. Plus you're using your arms in both apllications. Are you honest to god stupid enough to claim that he's incapable of producing a high level of striking power. Plus Armstrong, again, punched EXCELSUS apart, Raiden was, to some degree able to match Armstrong
Btw, there's no such thing as "piercing damage" or "blunt damage". It's called pressure. The only point you'd have is that bladed attacks are far more concentrated, then again, since Raiden's sword couldn't dent Armstrong, you'd have no true point
That and a punch from a Class 5 would cause more PSI than a bullet (a bullet would merely pierce flesh and embed itself in a body, a Class 5 would punch right through)
Prove Yamato or Rebellion have the destructive capacity to harm Armstrong
Except Raiden does have the higher end showings to do so. The only thing you have to the contrary is "I don't like it so it's wrong"
You never debunked the machine gun fire. You just showed comic book peak humans can deflect them. Plus Raiden is faster than Snake who could dodge a railgun and faster than Grey Fox
By comparisons to Star Wars, you're attempt to disregard Blade Mode is akin to Star Wars detesters trying to disregard the Expanded Universe showings
Your quote that Blade mode being a gameplay mechanic has about as much merit as the quote Darkstar uses from Lucas to disregard Star Wars
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No they're not actually, I've owned several people and even moderators on that site.
Sure there are simple things you can look up but I actually made the effort to look up the rain feat being debunked and nothing was found.
Raiden threw the god damn thing, that's not a striking feat or a destructive feat. You're technically using your arms when you lift weights too, doesn't apply to chambering and throwing an actual punch.
Raiden has never shown that he can match Armstrong's punches.
Actually yes, there is such thing as piercing damage or or blunt damage. Wonder Woman is a prime example of this, she can easily take a punch from a high end brick like Superman but can get pierced with swords and arrows.
Raiden was able to kill Armstrong with Sam's sword.
Yamato is capable of cutting an entire building in half with one swing.
At this point you would need to prove that Sam's sword has comparable destructive power. Because the demi gods and demons like the Savior that Dante, Virgil and Neo have fought are leagues above the mechs that Raiden and Sam have fought.
Except for that Raiden has higher end showings...that you've neglected to name.
You said that Raiden was able to deflect machine gun fire, which isn't an impressive feat. I think debunking is a poor choice of works, rather It would be impressive if you were comparing Raiden to Katana or Captain America or some street levelers.
It isn't impressive when you compare Raiden to Dante and Virgil or in the case of this thread, Ichigo.
What was the other thing you mentioned? The use of Blade Mode...you still think it's a legit ability yet you failed to acknowledge several times why Raiden is never shown using it in any cut scenes against opponents like Sam, Sundowner or Armstrong.
Raiden is faster than Snake...Snake was blitzed by Vamp, a guy who can't bullet time. He dodged a rail gun that seemed sub sonic from the look of things.
Gray Fox contrary to popular belief had no impressive speed feats. People like to use the Twin Snakes but it's non canon and has been confirmed non canon by Sean Eyestone.
Last edited by MicCheck on Apr 4th, 2014 at 03:18 AM
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