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Wei Phoenix
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Cable let Surfer win? Where did you draw that conclusion from?


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If the TK doesn't get him, the TP should.

I know WWH was pretty strong and had insane regen, but his piercing damage wasn't tpo great, so why couldn't someone with high TK just rip him into atoms and disperse them in a wide radius?


He shrugged off adamantium bullets and what happened during WWH to make you think he could get shredded like that?


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He shrugged off adamantium bullets and what happened during WWH to make you think he could get shredded like that?


He got cut and bled a lot during WWH, I'd argue that incarnation while stronger was actually one of his lesser in terms of durability.


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He got cut and bled a lot during WWH, I'd argue that incarnation while stronger was actually one of his lesser in terms of durability.


To the point that he can be ripped to shreds? He healed near instantly.


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To the point that he can be ripped to shreds? He healed near instantly.


I'd argue that if Cable was capable of that (unsure if he is) it would take much longer to heal instantly form, considered it would be more damage done to him then in pretty much any of his arcs minus his fight with Vector, and in this case Cable could keep doing it. As I said unsure if he even could, but it would definitely take a lot from him to heal.

But claws and knives went full into his body, some a foot deep at least so he definitely wasn't as durable as some of his other incarnations which suffer mostly superficial wounds.


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I'd argue that if Cable was capable of that (unsure if he is) it would take much longer to heal instantly form, considered it would be more damage done to him then in pretty much any of his arcs minus his fight with Vector, and in this case Cable could keep doing it. As I said unsure if he even could, but it would definitely take a lot from him to heal.

But claws and knives went full into his body, some a foot deep at least so he definitely wasn't as durable as some of his other incarnations which suffer mostly superficial wounds.


Adamantium went clean through his body and he healed instantly. Zom Strange was punching holes in him and he healed near instant. I can't see something like that working.


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Originally posted by cdtm
If the TK doesn't get him, the TP should.

I know WWH was pretty strong and had insane regen, but his piercing damage wasn't tpo great, so why couldn't someone with high TK just rip him into atoms and disperse them in a wide radius?


What stops this from happening? You may have forgotten that the Hulk was hit by Black Bolts powers, and he was fine. He was actually seen walking through a full scream much like Thanos did. He wasn't torn asunder like you may think he should have. All of this happened on panel. John Romita Jr. was the sketch artist on that book where we see him bleeding so much, but if you look at his fight with the X-Men you didn't see any more blood than you would normally see.

This does not mean that he was severely hurt or nearly at the point of death. Black Bolt hit him with planet devastating attacks.

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I disagree there are plenty of good fights in fiction that end in someone being trapped, sent back to their realm, or otherwise got rid off. It's a true win and doesn't stop a fight from being interesting. If smarts and tactics never were a part in fights it would get pretty boring, the fact that characters can get rid of others without having to beat them down or kill them can keep the end satisfying while leaving room for more to come. A brf doesn't necessarily mean a boring, walk into a portal the moment the fight starts, it can be something really epic in the hands of the right person.


You're getting ahead of yourself though. Cable may not be given the chance to do all of those things. People have to keep in mind that the Hulk is very fast, and that we aren't talking about the Blob or some other slow brick.


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Adamantium went clean through his body and he healed instantly. Zom Strange was punching holes in him and he healed near instant. I can't see something like that working.


Well he was on the defensive against Zom when those holes were being hit through him, it's very possible that something could keep him down if they kept up. Especially as blowing him up (which is the argument being used) is much more extensive then holes in his stomach or blades through his arms.


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You're getting ahead of yourself though. Cable may not be given the chance to do all of those things. People have to keep in mind that the Hulk is very fast, and that we aren't talking about the Blob or some other slow brick.

Yes my argument was if it was possible, in response to carver saying it wouldn't put him down. I don't know if Cable can do it, but I think if it actually happened it would do some damage.


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Cable let Surfer win? Where did you draw that conclusion from?


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You're getting ahead of yourself though. Cable may not be given the chance to do all of those things. People have to keep in mind that the Hulk is very fast, and that we aren't talking about the Blob or some other slow brick.
Cable was thinking and acting fast enough to ready for Surfer's attack that was coming to his island from orbit. He then fended off Surfer while holding up Providence and actively repairing all the damage to the surroundings from their fight. He had also been performing his jesus-like miracles for weeks on end, even while sleeping, and wasn't entering the fight fresh like he is this one.

Given the speed and complicated nature with which he was performing tasks while fending off Surfer's assault, I think it's well within the character's limits to take some strikes from the Hulk while maintaining his own attacks.

He also never used offensive telepathy in his match against Surfer, though (iirc) he was still telepathically linked around the world. If all his attention and energy is focused on Hulk, he should be able to win this fight.

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Cable was thinking and acting fast enough to ready for Surfer's attack that was coming to his island from orbit. He then fended off Surfer while holding up Providence and actively repairing all the damage to the surroundings from their fight. He had also been performing his jesus-like miracles for weeks on end, even while sleeping, and wasn't entering the fight fresh like he is this one.

Given the speed and complicated nature with which he was performing tasks while fending off Surfer's assault, I think it's well within the character's limits to take some strikes from the Hulk while maintaining his own attacks.

He also never used offensive telepathy in his match against Surfer, though (iirc) he was still telepathically linked around the world. If all his attention and energy is focused on Hulk, he should be able to win this fight.


If? I read I lot of ifs in your post Ex. Are you talking about potential here? Or what was seen on panel? Because you really have to check out the Hulk's potential. It's so great that the Hulk had to be separated on this forum, for fear of the World Breaker coming out. Just something to think about. The Hulk at full potential would have beat the hell out of Surfer as well. Using Norrin as a benchmark doesn't really impress me, nor should it impress anyone after seeing what the Hulk was capable of.


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Well he was on the defensive against Zom when those holes were being hit through him, it's very possible that something could keep him down if they kept up. Especially as blowing him up (which is the argument being used) is much more extensive then holes in his stomach or blades through his arms.


Depending on who's doing it, I agree, it could cause some damage, but this has to be at a high level...remember, they discovered his insides are just as durable as his outsiders, and the guy withstood a bomb that ripped a planet in half.


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Zom Strange was punching holes in him


Meh, always looked like Zom just phasing through him to me, but whatever.


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Nah, definitely blew holes in him:

http://static.comicvine.com/api/ima...vs_strange2.jpg

Still, it's Cable's fight to lose.


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I want to say Cable because it's the intelligent answer and in a perfect world a telepath/telekenetic should always defeat a bruiser of equal strength but i feel that Hulk would take the maj in this one


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Nah, definitely blew holes in him:

http://static.comicvine.com/api/ima...vs_strange2.jpg

Still, it's Cable's fight to lose.


How is it Cable's fight to lose?


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Cable was thinking and acting fast enough to ready for Surfer's attack that was coming to his island from orbit. He then fended off Surfer while holding up Providence and actively repairing all the damage to the surroundings from their fight. He had also been performing his jesus-like miracles for weeks on end, even while sleeping, and wasn't entering the fight fresh like he is this one.

Given the speed and complicated nature with which he was performing tasks while fending off Surfer's assault, I think it's well within the character's limits to take some strikes from the Hulk while maintaining his own attacks.

He also never used offensive telepathy in his match against Surfer, though (iirc) he was still telepathically linked around the world. If all his attention and energy is focused on Hulk, he should be able to win this fight.


One detail: Cable wasn't fixing the damage in their fight alone. He used the word "we" in reference to it.


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Nah, definitely blew holes in him:

http://static.comicvine.com/api/ima...vs_strange2.jpg

Still, it's Cable's fight to lose.


Could've just "ghosted" through him, causing extreme pain and some damage.

Romita's art is to blame.


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Could've just "ghosted" through him, causing extreme pain and some damage.

Romita's art is to blame.


Not sure if you're being half serious or not, but if Andrea Devito handled the entire WW Hulk art direction, all of the arguments based on the Hulk's condition in terms of aesthetics, wouldn't have so many people leaning on those scenes as some proof that he was physically weak. Imagine if they used Romita to express the kind of damage that Black Bolt's voice was doing to Thanos' face?


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