Let's see how Caedus's force powers would affect HoT:
shatterpoint: has never used this in combat I don't believe
lightning: his in particular isn't very good
TK: his biggest "advantage", yet the Hero wasn't overwhelmed by Vitiate's TK, which is probably just as impressive.
Fighting Sight: Having powerful precog is great, but Revan's was seemingly far more powerful, and look where it got him. The Precog would be mostly useful in a saber duel, but the Hero has defeated numerous opponents with his saber ability, and is said to have legendary martial skills. Hell, as a trainee on Tython, he's already stated to be an expert swordsman. Add this in with the fact that his skill would increase even more exponentially due to the fact that he'd be facing actual enemies and gaining combat experience instead of practice training, and you get an unstoppable God of invincible lightsaber prowess
kinda wanked out at the end there. #yolo
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"In the mysterious realm of Mortis there exists a trio of beings able to wield the Force in ways no known mortals of the galaxy can."
"The Daughter of Mortis is a Force-wielder who aligns herself with the light side of the Force."
"The Son was an embodiment of the dark side of the Force who dwelled on Mortis during the Clone Wars with his sister, the light-sider known as Daughter, and the powerful Force user known as Father, who tried to keep them in balance."
1. The Ones are Force-users. Yes. Thank you for repeatedly saying that. No one is arguing it, though.
2. When someone uses the term Force-user, however, they typically aren't referring to them. They're apolitical and irrelevant to most discussions, because there's little to say about them. It's mostly just shorthand. We do that. It's a thing.
3. The encyclopedia probably wasn't referring to them either. It probably didn't even know about them. Unless you can prove it was (and it did), your insistence is worth as much as anyone else's claims to the contrary. And repeatedly stating that the Ones are Force-users isn't that, so stop doing that.
4. A tiny bit of logic. If Vitiate were of the caliber of the Ones, how on Earth would he end up losing? The Ones are effectively disparate Force philosophies given physical form. While judging them by their mastery of the Force is completely missing the point, it stands to reason that they're rather incomparable. When the HoT fought Vitiate, there wasn't some fancy Force philosophy going on there, no 'chosen one' born of the Force, or whatever. It was a lightsaber to the gut.
2. The term Force-user is generic, it can be used to represent any kind of Force-user (mortal or not). Examples provided by me already.
3. Statements (representing accolades of Sith Emperor) in Encyclopedia are precise and clear, no ifs and buts in them.
4. How Abeloth lost? Something happened right?
Most powerful Force-users aren't unstoppable, incredibly difficult to defeat though. The Jedi Order attempted to assassinate/eliminate Sith Emperor for a long long time; only one attempt proved to be successful, thanks to favorable circumstances during this time (keeping in view known data).
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2-3. I've made my points, and you've again failed to refute them. Disagree if you will, but they stand and I certainly hope that, should someone else read this thread, they'll see the point there. I'm not repeating myself again.
4. Abeloth wasn't a Force wielder (which seems to be the name of their species). She just did things to become what she was. And she was ultimately defeated. It took an awful lot of effort, from some very powerful Force-users, and it wasn't in a straight 1v1 fight (indeed, there was an awful lot going on there). She'd be a more valid point of comparison, if you wanted to put Vitiate on that level (which is nonsense of course, but you're entitled to that).
Re: Being on-topic, defeating Vitiate is HoT's most notable feat. How powerful Vitiate is is just a tiny bit important to that. If Vitiate was some kind of a Force god, then yeah, Caedus probably gets stomped. Otherwise, there's actual room for debate.
His strength is inconceivable, really. he's literally stated as one of the most powerful jedi in the order right after Tython. His power progression after that would continue to grow quickly as he gains more combat experience from fighting more powerful sith lords, and then of course is his natural progression in force power. And something you have to consider is that his battle against the Emperor wouldn't really be a saber duel, but a battle of the force (until of course the Hero cuts him down). So the Hero is definitely an immensely powerful force wielder as well as a legendary duelist.
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