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Your "explanation" made no sense at all...

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Why can't you just answer the question? It's a simple question. Here, I'll ask again:

Why was Sidious able to remain hidden when the Jedi knew there was a dark lord amongst them?

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Originally posted by Time Immemorial
They have never shown that ability while in the middle of a fight,

That's because they haven't needed to use it. Just becase they don't use it doesn't mean they can't. A Jedis' power of persuasion may only work on the weak minded but they're ability to sense the force is unquestioned and it can only be shrouded by more powerful force users. Lokis illusions are lifeless. This isn't even taking into consideration, they're precog senses.

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Originally posted by The Spleen
Mhm, so the Jedi, with their ability to know what Thor is gonna do before he does it (via precog) and their ability to be on top of Thor in less than a second (force speed, also far faster than any attack Thor has) are just gonna stand there like idiots and allow Thor to fry them?

No. Anakin force holds Thor to the ground while Obi Wan struts over and takes Thor's head off. Prove me wrong. Prove that Thor is resistant to a force hold. Prove his neck is too tough to be sliced through by a lightsaber.

Hmmm...show some actual movie examples where it was used effectively? I see nothing in the movie fights.

These Jedi's are going to predict Thor's attack? The entire Jedi order were lured into a trap and slaughter by the clones. Where was the precog then?

They haven't precog nothing like they haven't used speed blitz, except, in a short burst, to run away.

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Where's the speed combat feats people keep talking about? Jedi gets shot to death by Jango Fett. Some creature nearly stomps Obi Wan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzdMyqZsJ2k

Obi Wan Vs Jango Fett
I keep hearing about these precogs, mind tricks, and speed blitz but some how he has so much trouble against Jango. I saw no precog, no speed blitz, and no mind tricks. His durability is good but lightning should take care of him. Jedi's don't do so well against lightning. lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTPos-P1rgI

Thor takes to the air and calls down a tornado and spam them with lightning.

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The entire Jedi order were lured into a trap and slaughter by the clones. Where was the precog then?

'The Dark Side is clouding their judgment you ****.

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Apr 28th, 2014 04:01 AM

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I don't suppose that deflecting blaster bolts throughout the entire damn trilogy counts as precog working for them

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'The Dark Side is clouding their judgment you ****.

The entire Jedi order outnumbered the few Sith Lords through most of the series and yet they couldn't see this coming. The darkside? You mean Mace Windu's a$$ was interfering with the Jedi's precog? Another lame excuse by Star Wars fan.

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I don't suppose that deflecting blaster bolts throughout the entire damn trilogy counts as precog working for them

lol

Blocking blaster fire? Blaster fire that's slow enough that we could see their movement? Han Solo and crew can duck pass these same blaster fires. Precog? More like saber skills and slow ammo.

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The entire Jedi order outnumbered the few Sith Lords through most of the series and yet they couldn't see this coming. The darkside? You mean Mace Windu's a$$ was interfering with the Jedi's precog? Another lame excuse by Star Wars fan.

>implies outnumbering means anything against a guy shrouding long range precog on a galactic scale

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Blocking blaster fire? Blaster fire that's slow enough that we could see their movement? Han Solo and crew can duck pass these same blaster fires. Precog? More like saber skills and slow ammo.

Oh god ****ing damn it I hate this unquantified horseshit of an "argument"

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As do other long range engagements in both trilogies

Hey I know, I'll just post up the whole god damn thread on this

http://forums.spacebattles.com/thre...t-speed.108677/

EDIT: Though honestly? On second thought? Nah, I predict you'll just cry 'outlier' and try to nitpick low end shit for blaster blot speed

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Apr 28th, 2014 05:59 AM

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Hmmm...show some actual movie examples where it was used effectively? I see nothing in the movie fights.

These Jedi's are going to predict Thor's attack? The entire Jedi order were lured into a trap and slaughter by the clones. Where was the precog then?

They haven't precog nothing like they haven't used speed blitz, except, in a short burst, to run away.

Episodes 1-3. The Jedi constantly bat blaster fire away like it was nothing.

On my dear sweet black Jesus, are you serious? I refer you to my previous post where I asked how Sidious was able to remain hidden from the Jedi whilst right under their noses. "Our ability to use the foece has diminished." If you have even seen the SW movies, you'll know what I am talking about. This point has been dodged repeatedly and needs to be recognized.

A short burst of froce speed will close the gap between the Jedi and Thor and enable them to slice Thor to ribbons. As I stated earlier, Anakin force holds Thor to the ground while Obi Wan force blitzes Thor and takes his head off. There is NOTHING Thor can do about this. Thor has NO resistance to telekinesis.

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Episodes 1-3. The Jedi constantly bat blaster fire away like it was nothing.

On my dear sweet black Jesus, are you serious? I refer you to my previous post where I asked how Sidious was able to remain hidden from the Jedi whilst right under their noses. "Our ability to use the foece has diminished." If you have even seen the SW movies, you'll know what I am talking about. This point has been dodged repeatedly and needs to be recognized.

A short burst of froce speed will close the gap between the Jedi and Thor and enable them to slice Thor to ribbons. As I stated earlier, Anakin force holds Thor to the ground while Obi Wan force blitzes Thor and takes his head off. There is NOTHING Thor can do about this. Thor has NO resistance to telekinesis.

So what are you presuming about that? The diminishing force and all.

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So what are you presuming about that? The diminishing force and all.

My point is that the Dark side of the force had diminished the ability of the Jedi to use the force. This is how Sidious was able to remain hidden from the Jedi. This is why the Jedi did not see Order 66 coming.

In this thread, there is no dark side of the force, therefore the Jedi will have full access to the force and will be 100% efficient with it.

See how that works?

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Apr 28th, 2014 08:09 AM

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My point is that the Dark side of the force had diminished the ability of the Jedi to use the force. This is how Sidious was able to remain hidden from the Jedi. This is why the Jedi did not see Order 66 coming.

In this thread, there is no dark side of the force, therefore the Jedi will have full access to the force and will be 100% efficient with it.

See how that works?

Absolutely. And loki has 100% effectiveness with his non-force non-darkside powers. So 100% effectiveness plus 100% effectiveness equals what?

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Absolutely. And loki has 100% effectiveness with his non-force non-darkside powers. So 100% effectiveness plus 100% effectiveness equals what?

=Force hold/speed blitz/decap stomp.

Seriously, what is to keep Anakin from force holding Thor while Obi Wan force speeds over and decapping him? The fight would be over in seconds. It would be over before can smash the earth. It would be over before Thor could hurl his hammer. It would be over before Thor could mount anything resembling an offensive.

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Apr 28th, 2014 01:13 PM

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Based on what feats can either of the Jedi's use the force to incapacitate Thor?

In the movies, even guys like Yoda were maybe class 10 in telekinesis.

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Based on what feats can either of the Jedi's use the force to incapacitate Thor?

In the movies, even guys like Yoda were maybe class 10 in telekinesis.

Based on the feat that Anakin and Obi Wan used force speed 300ish feet in less than a second.

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Based on what feats can either of the Jedi's use the force to incapacitate Thor?

In the movies, even guys like Yoda were maybe class 10 in telekinesis.

If you are going to refer to Force Abilities as Telekinesis you can leave.

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Apr 28th, 2014 01:57 PM

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If you are going to refer to Force Abilities as Telekinesis you can leave.

Explain?

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Apr 28th, 2014 02:03 PM

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Simple, telekinesis is moving objects through enhanced mental power. Using the Force to influence objects around you is simply telling the medichlorians to move some furniture around.

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Simple, telekinesis is moving objects through enhanced mental power. Using the Force to influence objects around you is simply telling the medichlorians to move some furniture around.

OK, and? Are you saying that the Jedi being able to move objects around via the force in such a way that resembles TK is not actually TK?

Bit of a moot point, the end result is the same.

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OK, and? Are you saying that the Jedi being able to move objects around via the force in such a way that resembles TK is not actually TK?

Bit of a moot point, the end result is the same.

Yes... they have the same effect, I was mainly upset at the use of the term TK for Jedi. Other than that I had no other point.

I guess the only REAL difference is that the Force doesn't care about the size of an object but we see that size does matter in a countless amount of movies with TK.

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